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re: How can you claim to be inclusive when you call half of america backward?
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:24 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:24 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The right has always been this way, just not publicly.
I'll take your word that this is a little different. My first memory of politics was a blowjob in the Oval. Simpler times.
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Now the factions are highly visible
How this balances out on the right is going to be interesting to watch. It's delicate work to string rural cultural conservatives, suburban conservatives, and business cons much less the policy divisions that exist within those groups.
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:25 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Looked to me that you were trying to convince tex why blacks should vote Republican. However, my point stands, you'd do better telling Republicans about blacks' conservative values, not people such as tex. Because apparently Republicans don't get it. The odd thing is, I don't disagree with you, but most Republicans seem to.
Literally every conservative in this thread openly and repeatedly held the position that the reason blacks might want to consider republicans is because there are conservatives among the black population the same as any other group.
Holy frick man. Read much?
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:27 pm to Duke
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Identity politics are there for all sides and viewpoints to an extent, but it is really poisoning all discussion on the progressive left. It is the victim olympics out there. Are you a white woman who is involved in the feminist movement? You're a racist. You know, because you aren't active in BLM too, so you only care about women's rights for white ladies.
My wife reads lefty stuff on the web, and what she tells me about is just confusing concerning the rules of who can say what. Nothing wrong with taking up issues concerning your race/gender, but it's to the point where the conversation isn't about moving anything forward but a festival of who can channel the most self-righteous anger.
I'm not happy to watch that part of the left having more sway, because it's only going to further harden the divide.
I agree with all of this. Especially that first paragraph. When, say, the Women's March is ostracizing pro-life women, for example, you see just how pigeonholed they've made everything.
Honestly, I see more folks considering leaving the leftist side not because they think the right or the middle are the greatest things since sliced bread, but at least because you're allowed more leeway these days to be a freer thinker in those arenas (at least when compared to remaining on the hardcore left).
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:28 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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welfare queen"
The only person in this thread using this term is you.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:30 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Yes, that fact is a cogent reason for blacks to consider voting Republican.
The funny thing about this sub-topic in a weird thread is that no one is actually discussing the facts of why blacks, by and large, no longer vote Republican.
The flood of '27 had a lot to do with blacks leaving the Party of Lincoln when the Republican administration abandoned blacks in the middle of the crisis to be treated as slaves once again. This also occurred not long after the Democratic party assumed the Progressive mantle from the Republicans. Ever since that time conservatives, whether they be Democrat or Republican, have worked to suppress rights of blacks. So here:
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my druthers would be to simply consider NOT voting Democrat, honestly
...you make an excellent point, they have no reason to vote Democrat, but neither do they trust the conservative Republican party due to perceived oppression (going all the way back to the writing of the Constitution.) It appears neither party is to be trusted (which I agree with, and why I have never joined any political party) and so blacks find that they have to hold their nose and pick the party which they feel best represents their interests. Then it goes over to class.
People with means will vote to protect their means, largely Republican. People without means will vote for those they believe are working to increase their means. Statistically, whites enjoy more means than blacks, so statistically we could expect whites to skew more Republican than blacks.
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Not when I've explained it the way I already have
What, by crawfishing?
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nor is it an outlandish turn of phrase.
Not outlandish, but 'more' being a comparative term, and in the absence of any comparison, it just seemed odd. That you didn't simply say, "blacks lean conservative" is what prompted my response.
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especially based on recent legislation that's been proposed/passed in several states.
Like restricting sex education and access to birth control? Yes, we are at an impasse.
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I'll add a third item to the docket: an overhaul of the adoption/foster care system.
I agree with you here, wholeheartedly.
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Yo momma liked my BBC in hers
Jesus, now we've got a fricking necrophiliac aggie.
When Doctor Ruth was talking about "penis in vagina" she meant a LIVE vagina. Try to keep that in mind.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The right has always been this way, just not publicly. GOP isn't split by factions (until now) but by policy. Now the factions are highly visible
I don't really even like the terms we have to use.
To me, the entire question as it relates to government is simple.
There are those that are naturally trusting that government can be a vehicle for good and that run by the right people, government can run well.
At the other end are those that view government as a necessary evil(I'm excluding anarchists here). These people accept some level of government but begrudgingly because even that govt they accept, they know will be inefficient and poorly run. They view it as the nature of what govt is.
Most in the former group are liberal BUT, there are absolutely strongly statist people who call themselves conservative. I, frankly, don't differentiate between the two that much.
My view is that I kinda understand the "government is a vehicle for good folks" and, I obviously understand because I are one......the government is naturally inefficient and just a necessary evil folks.
The people that befuddle me are the ones who SOMETIMES recognize the latter.......and then in the next breath........are all in for the former.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:32 pm to ShortyRob
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Trump is literally what Democrats have said they wanted Republicans to do for my entire adult life.
And, Republicans did it.
That's the part of the whole over-the-top anti-Trump hate that is hilarious to me. To hear the rhetoric from the left, you'd think Richard Spencer himself sat in the oval office
Trump has lived most of his life in the public eye without significant strife with the left. He's not some down home deep South mississippi (sorry to the MS posters
) redneck who leveraged KKK grand wizard (or dragon? idk what their ranks are, I'm sorry ) officership into becoming president. The dude is a quintessential New Yorker for chrissake. I honestly didn't think he'd get the nomination because he wasn't conservative enough.Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:33 pm to CelticDog
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100 iq
Half more.
Half not.
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CelticDog
and then theres 188 otto....
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:34 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Ever since that time conservatives, whether they be Democrat or Republican, have worked to suppress rights of blacks. So here:
This is a disgusting lie. Southern politicians worked to suppress rights of blacks, NOT conservatives as a whole. Northern conservatives were very much in favor of civil rights. Calvin Coolidge for example.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:34 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Trump has lived most of his life in the public eye without significant strife with the left. He's not some down home deep South mississippi (sorry to the MS posters ) redneck who leveraged KKK grand wizard (or dragon? idk what their ranks are, I'm sorry ) officership into becoming president. The dude is a quintessential New Yorker for chrissake. I honestly didn't think he'd get the nomination because he wasn't conservative enough.
To me, Trump(and Romney before him) are walking talking proof that the left literally has one argument.
If Romney and Trump are both Nazis, then it's effectively time to just stop even trying with the left. They're off the deep end and if they can't come back, eventually it will have to come to blows.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:39 pm to ShortyRob
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Literally every conservative in this thread openly and repeatedly held the position that the reason blacks might want to consider republicans is because there are conservatives among the black population the same as any other group.
You mean like this one...?
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black people when they have a majority district have shown time and again that they know nothing about effective governance
...because that's not what I'm getting from that post.
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Read much?
Your shite?
No, it brings down my IQ - and I haven't got much to spare.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:42 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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black people when they have a majority district have shown time and again that they know nothing about effective governance
I don't know who typed that.
So you ignored all the rest of us and ascribed that view to all of us?
Genius right there. Oh. By the way. That quote doesn't even rebut the point anyway. Black majority districts are not exactly a statistical cross section of all blacks.
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Your shite? No, it brings down my IQ - and I haven't got much to spare
I apologize for having thoughts too complex for you. It's not my intent for you to become a vegetable.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:44 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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This is a disgusting lie. Southern politicians worked to suppress rights of blacks, NOT conservatives as a whole.
And, not for nothing......blacks voting for Dems CLIMBED at precisely the same time Democrats in the South were all in on fricking blacks.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:45 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Every argument you make requires you assigning some fringe belief to all conservatives. Do you not see the issue with that? It's just as bigoted as Texridder declaring blacks as incapable of independent thought.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:47 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Honestly, I see more folks considering leaving the leftist side not because they think the right or the middle are the greatest things since sliced bread, but at least because you're allowed more leeway these days to be a freer thinker in those arenas (at least when compared to remaining on the hardcore left).
More like this vocal part of the progressive left is leaving them behind. Similar to how the Trump movement has left a faction or two on the right behind. The crazies in both parties have out sized sway.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:55 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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The funny thing about this sub-topic in a weird thread is that no one is actually discussing the facts of why blacks, by and large, no longer vote Republican.
This subtopic has been born of your own ignorance. However, if you'd like to discuss that in depth, I suggest you start a thread so people can focus on it.
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...you make an excellent point, they have no reason to vote Democrat, but neither do they trust the conservative Republican party due to perceived oppression (going all the way back to the writing of the Constitution.) It appears neither party is to be trusted (which I agree with, and why I have never joined any political party) and so blacks find that they have to hold their nose and pick the party which they feel best represents their interests. Then it goes over to class.
This is what I'm talking about, though. Most demographics have to do a degree of nose-holding when it comes to the ballot box. It's a byproduct of having a system dominated by two parties. The issue when it comes to blacks is that, where other racial demographics exhibit more divergence when socioeconomic standing becomes a factor, blacks double down on the tradition of voting Dem, despite it perhaps not being in their best interests. That's alarming. It'd be alarming if it were all GOP votes, too.
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People with means will vote to protect their means, largely Republican. People without means will vote for those they believe are working to increase their means. Statistically, whites enjoy more means than blacks, so statistically we could expect whites to skew more Republican than blacks.
This is a bit of an oversimplification. There are myriad examples of affluent whites who vote dem. Hell, those folks are the real reason Obama was elected twice, honestly.
You talk about welfare, well, more whites are on welfare than black, yet there is more voting divergence (not as much, since it's a class subgroup we're talking about here, but more than their counterparts) among said whites than among blacks.
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Not when I've explained it the way I already have
What, by crawfishing?
Incorrect.
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Not outlandish, but 'more' being a comparative term, and in the absence of any comparison, it just seemed odd. That you didn't simply say, "blacks lean conservative" is what prompted my response.
Fair enough. You kept it as a point of contention even after I made the very simple distinction as to what "more" referred to, though. Just an odd thing to get hung up on, IMO.
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Jesus, now we've got a fricking necrophiliac aggie.
When Doctor Ruth was talking about "penis in vagina" she meant a LIVE vagina.
You'd have got me if I said "likes" instead of "liked." Past tense. Prior to passing.
Aggy wins the point
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:58 pm to BBONDS25
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Every argument you make requires you assigning some fringe belief to all conservatives.
No it doesn't. When I post on this board, I don't remove myself from the reality surrounding me every day living in the South. You can't just close your eyes and wish away 250 years of racist ideology.
I suspect that as blacks accumulate wealth, they will more and more vote their interests - Republican. So it is in the interests of the Democrats to impede that progress.
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It's just as bigoted
Keep trying.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 1:00 pm to ShortyRob
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To me, Trump(and Romney before him) are walking talking proof that the left literally has one argument.
If Romney and Trump are both Nazis, then it's effectively time to just stop even trying with the left. They're off the deep end and if they can't come back, eventually it will have to come to blows.
Through overuse, the left has taken all the teeth out of the grave insult it should always be to brand someone a Nazi. Not only does it do a disservice to Jews and others who suffered at their evil hands, but it shows that even the left doesn't truly believe the shite they're spewing.
Because if they did, they'd be 24/7 trying to assassinate such people. And I'd be right there with them. Because that is the only reasonable action to take against an actual Nazi.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 1:00 pm to Duke
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this vocal part of the progressive left is leaving them behind. Similar to how the Trump movement has left a faction or two on the right behind. The crazies in both parties have out sized sway.
Indeed.
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