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re: House Ethics report accuses Gaetz of statutory rape of 17-year-old, drug use, obstruction

Posted on 12/23/24 at 6:34 pm to
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 6:34 pm to
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Because we care about due process.

What does due process have to do with this situation?

Is Gaetz being deprived of life, liberty, or property by the Ethics committee?
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 6:39 pm to
Matt’s on our team; this is too much transparency!
This post was edited on 12/23/24 at 6:40 pm
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57099 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 6:49 pm to
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What does due process have to do with this situation?


He had no opportunity to cross his accusers. The committee heard one side (which the fricking Biden DOJ didn’t believe…and we know how benevolent they are) and issued a report. It’s a complete smear job. Anyone With half a brain should be furious over this.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 12/23/24 at 6:50 pm to
I think it’s selective transparency that is the issue here.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57099 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 6:50 pm to
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this is too much transparency!


You’re such a smug prick. You know what this is, but because he isn’t on your team you’re delighted at this obvious smear. Gates may be a sleaze, but to support this makes you a piece of shite.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57099 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 6:51 pm to
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I think it’s selective transparency that is the issue here


This has zero to do with transparency. This is about as legitimate as the J6 committee. It’s disgusting. Anyone supporting it is a piece of shite.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154710 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 6:53 pm to
Of course. But if one wants to go with the transparency route then I think it’s also important that the transparency is selective.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35771 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 6:53 pm to
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He had no opportunity to cross his accusers.

He isn’t being charged. Nothing is being taken from him. He doesn’t have a right to face the committee in that context.

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Anyone With half a brain should be furious over this.

I guess you need more than half a brain to understand when due process is implicated.

A report being a one-sided political hit doesn’t invoke due process either.
This post was edited on 12/23/24 at 6:55 pm
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
65412 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 6:56 pm to
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Nothing is being taken from him.
His reputation is being smeared, perhaps irrevocably. I wouldn't call that nothing.


Posted by Hogbit
Benton, AR
Member since Aug 2019
3091 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 6:57 pm to
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Mods suspended me when I called him a rapist

Rightly so
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35771 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 6:58 pm to
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His reputation is being smeared, perhaps irrevocably. I wouldn't call that nothing.

He has recourse in the courts if he feels that way. He’d lose quickly, but the avenue is there.

Still isn’t a due process issue.
This post was edited on 12/23/24 at 6:59 pm
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
18925 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:02 pm to
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The Ethics Committee obviously found evidence.


Well what evidence did they find that the law enforcement agencies that investigated this for several years did not? Given the incredibly low bar to get a grand jury to indict someone, it sure as hell must not have been convincing.


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It’s one investigative body that is truly bipartisan.


You are clearly retarded...
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
18925 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:03 pm to
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He’d lose quickly, but the avenue is there


Given the fact Trump just wrong $15,000,000 out of ABC over false rape claims, I wouldn't be so sure there.
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
65412 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:04 pm to
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He has recourse in the courts if he feels that way. He’d lose quickly, but the avenue is there.

No amount of money can compensate for a damaged reputation

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Still isn’t a due process issue.

I never said that it was. But you said he hasn't lost anything and I'm saying he stands to lose the most valuable thing he has
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57099 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:10 pm to
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He has recourse in the courts if he feels that way. He’d lose quickly, but the avenue is there. Still isn’t a due process issue.


It’s a clear abuse of government power. It may not be traditional due process, but to say there is no issue here is disingenuous. Defending what happened makes you a piece of shite.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35771 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:12 pm to
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Given the fact Trump just wrong $15,000,000 out of ABC over false rape claims, I wouldn't be so sure there.

ABC broadcasting known lies and settling the claim and suing a congressional committee for a report are about as far apart as you can be when it comes to defamation/similar suits.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35771 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:13 pm to
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Defending what happened makes you a piece of shite.

I’m not “defending” anything, other than all ethics reports being released across the board.

If there was an actual due process problem here, then I’d be outraged as well. But there isn’t.

I don’t care about Matt Gaetz’s political career or whatever he does to make himself rich going forward.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35771 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:14 pm to
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But you said he hasn't lost anything and I'm saying he stands to lose the most valuable thing he has

Because Matt Gaetz had a sterling and valuable reputation before this? Lol
Posted by Kattail
Member since Aug 2020
4140 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:16 pm to
Let’s see who the payouts from the Congressional Slush Fund were to and in who’s behalf. It’s taxpayer money, we have the right to know!
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
65412 posts
Posted on 12/23/24 at 7:19 pm to
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Because Matt Gaetz had a sterling and valuable reputation before this? Lol

There is a world of difference between being thought of as a boozing skirt chaser and being thought of as a rapist.
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