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re: Homosexuality not caused by genetics. They ar not "born that way ETA Addit link added

Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:13 pm to
Posted by Turbeauxdog
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:13 pm to
Yup
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:18 pm to
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Nobody has a clue on this
Nobody has a clue is an OVERstatement.
But it is fair to say we don't yet have it nailed down either.

Genome-wide scan demonstrates significant linkage for male sexual orientation
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:19 pm to
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Yup
Yup what?
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:38 pm to
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Half of these aren't even environmental exposures.


Yikes

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Now your claiming that I'm implying something I never implied.


It's "you're", and if YOUR idea of an environmental causation of homosexuality is something other than sexual abuse or loss of a parent you'd be the first.

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I've seen your posts on this topic and I understand how irrationally you usually post about it


I'm literally one of about five people in this massive thread who hasn't picked a side. I'm just calling out nonsense for what it is.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:41 pm to
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Nobody has a clue on this


I wouldn't say we have NO clue. As NC and others have posted, genome-wide sequence comparisons have shown a broad but distinct correlation between certain combinations of alleles and homosexuality.

Correlation obviously doesn't equal causation, but given that we know many human traits are a combination of genetics and exposures it's not unreasonable to believe homosexuality has at least some genetic component as well. Not provable at this time, but reasonable.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:47 pm to
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it's not unreasonable to believe homosexuality has at least some genetic component as well. Not provable at this time, but reasonable.


Naaa, homosexuals are just from another galaxy.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:50 pm to
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Some Preacher Man doing a "study" doesn't peak my interest


Check the updated link in the OP. I've said this already.

Either you're too dense or too stupid. Your choice.

This post was edited on 7/5/17 at 8:54 pm
Posted by Errerrerrwere
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:52 pm to
From 2014.

The link I provided updated from 2016 disproves it is genetic.

Stay on topic.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:57 pm to
The bottom line is he posted peer reviewed material from one of the most respected journals in the world. You, well, didn't.

They simply don't carry the same weight.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:04 pm to
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updated link


Well past done. That one is even less important to me.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:04 pm to
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disproves




Nope.
Posted by Dale51
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:06 pm to
So..Hey!..I haven't read the thread, but whats up with those homoses??? Why they like that stuff or what?? Why?
Seems all weird and stuff to me.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:09 pm to
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But it is fair to say we don't yet have it nailed down either.


More than fair.

For me the identity of the precise mechanism doesn't matter. The fact is, these people exist in nature and therefore are a product of nature.

We all know that freakish things happen in nature, like 2 headed animals and bearded women.
Posted by CrimsonTideMD
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 10:07 pm to
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The link I provided updated from 2016 disproves it is genetic.



Lol. Ok guy
Posted by Errerrerrwere
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 10:09 pm to
Jesus, thanks for a journal that has only the ansract to read!



A lot of nothing!
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 10:11 pm to
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only the ansract to read




Poors.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:05 am to
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Jesus, thanks for a journal that has only the ansract to read!
Oh my.

Well, here's discussion related to the ansract.

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Discussion
We have detected genome-wide significant linkage to pericentromeric chromosome 8 with multipoint support, and replicated linkage to chromosome Xq28. In context with the previous linkage scans, it seems likely that genes contributing to variation in male sexual orientation reside in these regions. As usual with linkage peaks for complex traits, there are a number of genes of potential relevance under each broad peak, such as transcription factors, microRNAs, and various brain-expressed genes including some with neurodevelopment, neuroendocrine, and/or neurotransmission roles (e.g. CHRNB3, CHRNA6, SNTG1, NPBWR1, OPRK1, RGS20, PENK, CRH, TRPA1, GDAP1, SLITRK2, CNGA2, GABRE, GABRA3, GABRQ, PLXNB3, L1CAM, GDI1, PLXNA3), and at Xq27–28 the testes-specific members of the SPANX (sperm protein associated with the nucleus on chromosome X) family (these ones being ampliconic genes independently acquired since human-mouse divergence; Mueller et al. 2013). We comment further on selected examples, acknowledging the speculative nature of genotypebehavior correlations across species (e.g. human and mice) and even between more closely related species (e.g. within rodents) (Baud et al. 2013). Arginine vasopressin is a hormone that mediates social and affiliative behaviors (see review by Ebstein et al. 2012), and one of its receptors (AVPR2, arginine vasopressin receptor 2) is located on Xq28, although AVPR2 is primarily expressed in the kidney. However, neuropeptides B/W receptor 1 (NPBWR1) on 8q11.23 is expressed in limbic regions including the hippocampus, has been shown to modulate social interactions in mice (Nagata-Kuroiwa et al. 2011), and a common functional variant (Tyr135Phe, rs33977775, CEU MAF~10%) has been reported as associated with altered emotional responses to facial expressions in humans, especially valence (with heterozygotes perceiving expressions in more pleasant terms) (Watanabe et al. 2012). Another brain-expressed gene, CNGA2 (cyclic nucleotide gated channel alpha 2) on Xq28, has been shown in mice to be critical for regulation of odor-evoked socio-sexual behaviors, including major histocompatibility complex (MHC)-related odors (Mandiyan et al. 2005; Spehr et al. 2006); and although more uncertain, MHC-related odors may have relevance in social communication and mate selection in humans (Wedekind et al. 1995; Havlicek & Roberts, 2009; Milinski et al. 2013). However, linkage can only indicate a region and not particular genes, a task better suited to other approaches such as resequencing approaches, GWAS, and meta-analyses thereof. Our findings may also begin to provide a genetic basis for the considerable evolutionary paradox that homosexual men are less motivated than heterosexual men to have procreative sex and yet exist as a stable non-trivial minority of the population (Wilson, 1975; Bell & Weinberg, 1978).

LINK
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:05 am to
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This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 11:07 am
Posted by Errerrerrwere
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:07 am to
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ansract


I saw that. I was lazy last night.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:08 am to
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I saw that. I was lazy last night.
just having fun.

FWIW, I didn't realize the rest was inaccessible
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