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re: Homosexuality not caused by genetics. They ar not "born that way ETA Addit link added
Posted on 7/4/17 at 9:51 pm to Errerrerrwere
Posted on 7/4/17 at 9:51 pm to Errerrerrwere
We already have the answer. DNA does not effect sexual preference.
That narrative was created as a defensive mechanism. It is nonsense which can be spun to alleviate responsibility for any action, not just sexually associated ones.
They keep trying to find a reason to validate and continue to fail.
That narrative was created as a defensive mechanism. It is nonsense which can be spun to alleviate responsibility for any action, not just sexually associated ones.
They keep trying to find a reason to validate and continue to fail.
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 9:54 pm to Jorts R Us
quote:
Sorry you can't read
Sorry you don't know the difference between read and comprehend.
It's obvious you struggle with the latter which explains why you didn't know that was what you were alluding to.
To address your flimsy point, sexual preference IS a choice. It is learned behavior. There is nothing genetically forcing them to have a preference, hence why they make that choice (whether directly or indirectly through childhood trauma, etc)
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 7/4/17 at 9:55 pm to Errerrerrwere
quote:
Tell me the exact gene number or allele that had the homosexual mutation.
Translation:
I don't understand genetics, but I want to sound smart.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 9:58 pm to YStar
quote:
To address your flimsy point, sexual preference IS a choice. It is learned behavior. There is nothing genetically forcing them to have a preference
So these studies suggest. But there is nothing definitive.
Again, I've never argued in favor of genetics being involved. But there is no "simple logic" that explains away homosexuality. The only posts I've made in this thread have been to make that point.
I'm getting attacked for what is basically a neutral statement.
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 7/4/17 at 9:58 pm to skrayper
You got an answer?
An allele is a variant of a gene is it not?
They are also positioned on chromosome at a location called a Locus, correct?
Being a diploid organism we develop one allele from each parent, right?
Maybe you have no fricking clue how this works?
ETA Now can you tell me which one of these genes makes this a genetic disposition?
An allele is a variant of a gene is it not?
They are also positioned on chromosome at a location called a Locus, correct?
Being a diploid organism we develop one allele from each parent, right?
Maybe you have no fricking clue how this works?
ETA Now can you tell me which one of these genes makes this a genetic disposition?
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:06 pm to llfshoals
quote:
Like most things, it's a choice.
No straight male would actively choose a dick over a vag
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:06 pm to Errerrerrwere
Stop projecting moron
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:08 pm to YStar
quote:Choice and learned behavior can and often are independent of one another. In fact, BF Skinner himself was a determinist.
To address your flimsy point, sexual preference IS a choice. It is learned behavior.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:12 pm to Jorts R Us
quote:And are you saying the real debate is they can't make a choice.
So if your point was that gays can choose to not act on their same sex attraction, um, you win, I guess. Doesn't really touch on the real debate, though...
Until they act on the choice they aren't either hetero or homo. Even then they can choose either or both.
There are simply too many variables as to why and what impulses occur. In the end it always comes down to a choice.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:22 pm to YStar
quote:
To address your flimsy point, sexual preference IS a choice. It is learned behavior. There is nothing genetically forcing them to have a preference, hence why they make that choice (whether directly or indirectly through childhood trauma, etc)
This is make-believe.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:30 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:And yet you can't refute it.
quote:
To address your flimsy point, sexual preference IS a choice. It is learned behavior. There is nothing genetically forcing them to have a preference, hence why they make that choice (whether directly or indirectly through childhood trauma, etc)
This is make-believe.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:32 pm to llfshoals
quote:
And yet you can't refute it.
I don't need to. That's how make-believe works.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:33 pm to llfshoals
Anytime you get that "O" with a buckeye in the name; you're in for a logical black hole you will never be able to get out of.
For your own sanity; ignore.
For your own sanity; ignore.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:37 pm to llfshoals
quote:
And are you saying the real debate is they can't make a choice.
I'm saying the real debate is the "why" as in why do homosexuals go for the same sex because the answer to that question is what is relevant to most people looking to take a moral stance on the issue of homosexuality, or more specifically same-sex unions/marriage.
To say that simple logic proves that attraction (not the act itself) is a choice is not even an oversimplification, it's bullshite. Now it may turn out that same sex attraction is a choice or a learned behavior--maybe we'll one day have definitive proof--but you certainly can't get there with "simple logic."
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:37 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:You can't argue against logic, so you wish it away.
quote:
And yet you can't refute it.
I don't need to. That's how make-believe works.
How's that wishing for Kasich for president working for you?
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:38 pm to llfshoals
Awwwww shite.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:42 pm to llfshoals
quote:
You can't argue against logic
Incorrect. Logic doesn't exist in the post I replied to.
quote:
How's that wishing for Kasich for president working for you?
I didn't wish for KASICH to be President. That would be make-believe. Like prayer or ignoring science. I'll leave that nonsense to you.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:45 pm to Errerrerrwere
quote:
Still waiting on what chromosome causes it...
The blog post said conclusively that it's not genetic based on the studies. The studies actually showed that there was extremely strong evidence of a genetic component along with other factors (which studies since 2014 point to in the womb epigenetic factors). The blog you linked is at best laughably in accurate and worst intentionally misrepresenting the twin studies. It loses, you lose. Move along.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:45 pm to Roaad
quote:
Scientists find DNA differences between gay men and their straight twin brothers
Your article is from 2013, this is from 2015
Did you read the article you linked?
Hint: the title of the article is antithetical to the content.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:46 pm to Jorts R Us
quote:The answer to that question is irrelevant.
I'm saying the real debate is the "why" as in why do homosexuals go for the same sex because the answer to that question is what is relevant to most people looking to ale a moral stance on the issue of homosexuality, or more specifically same-sex unions/marriage.
You can't force morality on someone. To accept the premise that an act is moral is also a choice.
Thus it's useless to try and do so. By consent of the governed you can make something legal, or not. But you can never make it moral.
There's no magic bullet as to why a human being will do anything. Every one walking the face of the earth is different, it's time to face that inescapable fact and stop trying to plug them all neatly into their cubbyholes.
Life just doesn't work that way.
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