re: HISTORY, DISCOVERIES & THEORIES: Ancient Antiquities / Timelines / Lost & Found

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King? You seem to be way ahead of me in this journey.
Thanks!

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You're most welcome. When it comes to understanding various conspiracy theories, it helps to understand the people who are most vocal in pushing them.

1. Those alleging that Christians/Jews were present in pre-Columbian America tend to be Mormons because the Book of Mormon details lost tribes of Israel making it to modern Utah. There are a lot of channels that discuss alleged ancient ruins and mines left behind by these ancient Israelites which are run by Mormons.

2. Those alleging Tartarian theories tend to be older Russian nationalists who reject all of the historical narrative due to having emerged from the collapse of the Soviet Union to find out that most everything the regime taught them was a lie.

3. Those promoting that Egyptians colonized the Mississippi River Delta tend to be "We wuz kangz" African Americans who believe that they are the descendants of black Egyptians that settled America who were enslaved here by colonizers rather than transported here by trans-Atlantic slave traders.

4. The Kensington Rune Stone proponents who tout it as evidence of a vast Viking empire in the new world tend to be Americans with Scandinavian heritage.

5. Irish tend to promote the legends of Celtic ruins in the Northeast (see America's Stone Henge).

6. Scots tend to promote the legends of the Templars coming to America and building the Newport Tower and Oak Island.

7. Chinese Nationalists promote theories of the Chinese colonizing California and building the mysterious East Bay Walls as well as promote theories of Chinese colonists founding the Olmec civilization as well as South American cultures that would later become the Inca.

8. Hindus promote the theories that the Mayan were actually Hindu.

9. Rednecks in Georgia promote the theories that the Maya survived their civilization's collapse in the Yucatan and built a Pyramid in Georgia.

10. Mud Flood proponents tend to be Young Earth creationists who desperately need an explanation for how thousands of years of history couldn't have happened so that the Earth can be as young as they believe it to be.

11. Folks that are major skeptics of any pre-Columbian European contact tend to either be Italian, Catholic, work for the Smithsonian, and/or rely on federal grant money to do their research. Columbus is a major hero for Italian Americans as well as Catholics, so anything that undermines his accomplishments is actively dismissed or repressed as much as possible. Remember that ALL of our current "American History" is rooted in Columbus discovering America for the European Powers, thus triggering a several centuries long land rush to colonize the New World. Some of those European colonies eventually became the United States. However, if that narrative is not correct, then the entire "creation myth" so to speak for the American mythos starts to fall apart.

As for beliefs in Egyptians in America, there tends to be 3 different theories:

1. Egyptians founding a hidden city in the Grand Canyon. These Egyptians are often attributed to followers of Alexander Helios, the child of Cleopatra and Marc Antony. They supposedly fled to the New World around 28 BC with the royal treasures to escape Roman persecution at the hands of Octavian.

2. Bronze Age Egyptians conducting mining operations along the great lakes.

3. That the REAL OG Egyptian homeland was the Mississippi River, that Egyptians were black, that ancient America was a black continent, and that Egyptians migrated to North Africa from America rather than the other way around.

Bonus: there is also a legend of Roman occupation of the Mississippi River valley evidenced by discoveries of hundreds of Roman coins all over the Mississippi and Ohio River valleys. Most of these coins date from a very specific time period, the Bar Kohbah Revolt, which occurred around 132 A.D. The legend is that a legion of Roman Soldiers looted the Great Temple, and in doing so, discovered ancient maps detailing the new world. They, along with some Jews of the Temple, then deserted and took the plundered treasures with them to America and settled somewhere in the Mississippi River or Ohio River Valley. Many members of this legion were thought to have been conscripts from Egypt. Now, losing an entire legion seems like a stretch, but there is no mention of this legion in Roman records after their actions putting down the Revolt, so who knows?

Apologies to all but I want to ask KINGBOB a question before this opportunity passes via this thread.

Actually, a bunch of questions but I will limit it to one BIG one.

I promise the Mods I won't mention the "Southern Baptist Indians" "again".

Before my specific question, a statement of someone else's opinion.

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No branch of world history has been suppressed as energetically or effectively as the history of the Americas before the nineteenth-century. The global contest for mastery of the American continent that began centuries before Spanish colonization, interested nearly every nation in Europe and Asia and involved some of the biggest battles ever fought, has been reduced to an incoherent tale of conquistadors and Indians.

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A lot of those articles actually predate the prevalence of yellow journalism by several decades. What is a common thread between all of them is the Smithsonian Institute coming in, taking the evidence, and promptly losing or destroying it. I don’t think all of those articles are completely fabricated. I think the Smithsonian had/has an agenda and a narrative they were/are invested in and actively suppressed any findings that didn’t fit.

This channel is a pretty good one for some more rare history/stories of the Middle East areas.

Alexander the Great and the Wall of the Djinn

Is there an invisible wall spanning across several counties across the Middle East rumored to keep at bay a tribe of monsters known as Yajuj and Majuj who will be unleashed upon the world? We examine the eschatological, fantastical and fringe theories behind #AlexandertheGreat and a wall history (or legend) say’s he built to keep the region safe.

Excellent!

Thanks Frens.

It is so strange to me that only one Pre-Columbian American civilization is accepted as having advanced to the Bronze Age: the Inca, who had mastered the technology during the early Renaissance Period, around the same time period that the Mississippian Civilizations collapsed and the Aztecs relocated to modern Mexico City.

Only the Inca managed to develop bronze weapons, something which existed in Egypt 5000 years ago. The Aztecs and Maya, for all of their advancements in irrigation, astronomy, and architecture, were reliant on Obsidian tools, and had never learned how to work any metals save soft copper and gold.

Or possibly there are controllers that interfere with civilization advancements. Like in the case of America, we have things like capitalism and patents that put up huge barriers to advancement. In this case capitalism has evolved far enough to being a practical oligarchy and there are many examples of unofficial monopoly practices put in play for this; the light bulb being a well documented example. Patents obviously protect against technology going very fast because rich companies will just buy patents and then not use them or put a huge price on the technology. There is also the common occurrence in all societies to advance, then let women and social welfare gradually take on bigger roles in society, then collapse under the weight. There is a well documented pattern in societal collapse even easier summed up with the strong men create good times, good times create...

The only real modern example that is somewhat documented with breaks from controllers would be Germany under Hitler broke with traditional thought and pumped out great advancements in technology, like they actually had video calling in all their postal offices, and who knows what else with even the possibility of time travel and anti gravity. Nikola Tesla thought Einstein was very wrong in thought. If people are programmed with Einstein type thought at schools while Tesla line of thinking is correct, well you see the problem. We see where nontraditional thinking gets you, annihilated and/or penniless [or downvoted ].

Exploring Ireland’s Paranormal Middle Eastern Roots

Or it could related to the sea people's and giants not letting civilizations get too big or advanced. Like the necronomicon being a copy or fictionalized work based of ancient texts/knowledge. Maybe these previous races or beings simply faded away akin to the magical races in the Lord of the Rings. Though there is the tale that Tolkien just found a hidden, historical book and released it as his own.

From your Mysterious Middle East link, they had this up and it is from 1/2022.

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Ibn Fadlan (the real life protagonist of the 13th Warrior) wrote that while in Bulgaria he encountered a real life giant

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Since then for hundreds of years real giants and the remains of giants have been reported and discovered across the Black Sea region, especially in Turkey and Armenia.

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The professor said this one thumb bone was as large as his thigh.