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re: Here’s an interesting statistic…
Posted on 5/26/22 at 11:56 am to Vacherie Saint
Posted on 5/26/22 at 11:56 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:Name just one spot in this country that doesn't have the potential for crime.
Wherever there is potential for crime, there should be law enforcement.
quote:But is it a "small" price to pay? They don't work for free. When I was in elementary school, I would have been greatly confused at the sight of a police officer onsite every day. And it's not like things have gotten more dangerous. If anything, they are safer than ever. I would be surprised if school isn't the single safest place for a child to be.
A grocery store will happily hire a police detail to make customers feel safe. If resource officers in every school help, Its a small price to pay and it doesnt scream "fear" to me.
quote:Sure, no real push back from me on any of that. I'd just like to continue to highlight the fact that schools are extremely safe and we shouldn't panic and pretend like they aren't.
Schools should also be secure, fully fenced, and tightly controlled. If Katy ISD can piss away 70MM on a football stadium, and Palm Beach can spend 20MM on woke math books, we ought to be able to get security fences around schools.
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 11:57 am to s2
How about one or two armed guards and a Belgian Malinois on a 35" leash?
We all know the gooberment does not want to stop it. The gooberment needs the issue to use in the gun removal argument.
We all know the gooberment does not want to stop it. The gooberment needs the issue to use in the gun removal argument.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:06 pm to Big Scrub TX
just because schools are relatively safe doesnt mean we cant invest in protecting the most vulnerable among us. and cost is irrelevant in the public school system. a trained officer is mere pennies compared to the abject waste in these budgets. we currently spend over 10K per student per year for an education inferior to one that can be had in a private school for less than half.
this investment becomes even more critical when a single event like this drives reckless and overly emotional policy making that impacts the entire nation.
school security and safety is more important than a free lunch, but we dont slack on those, do we?
this investment becomes even more critical when a single event like this drives reckless and overly emotional policy making that impacts the entire nation.
school security and safety is more important than a free lunch, but we dont slack on those, do we?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:08 pm to finchmeister08
The Bidens have to take care of Ukraine or that country will tell on them..............................I wonder how many billion the Biden family got from that money sent?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:10 pm to TigerFlask
quote:Steve Kerr was one of them.
The same "woke" crowd who wanted to defund the police also wanted LEO off of school property. Remember that shite?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:11 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:They already are.
it's just a social and developmental negative to turn places for young people into pits of potential risk.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:14 pm to Jbird
Liberals will fight like pit bulls to fund CRT and LGBT grooming in schools, woke textbooks, teacher raises, free lunch programs, free before/aftercare, layers upon layers of administrators and bureaucracy... but they cant find the cash for a 50K/year resource officer?
They dont want to fix the problem. A few dead kids come along real handy when you are obsessed with banning guns.
They dont want to fix the problem. A few dead kids come along real handy when you are obsessed with banning guns.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:17 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Armed guards for every school is a terrible idea.
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Big Scrub TX
Defund the Police!
Remove TSA from airports!
No security guards anywhere!
None of that works and is a terrible idea.
Moron.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:19 pm to deathvalleytiger10
He probably believes that little kids are terrified and triggered by uniformed officers. Maybe his kids are, but whose fault is that?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:22 pm to Jbird
Think of the billions that were pissed away in Afghanistan and now Ukraine.Could easily have hardened all the schools,,installed metal detectors and put armed guards in schools.
I realize school shootings are rare but I have grandchildren in elementary and middle school with no guards and every time there is a school shooting my anxiety level rises.
I would like to see teachers armed also,the ones that are capable.Lots of them probably aren’t but some are.
I realize school shootings are rare but I have grandchildren in elementary and middle school with no guards and every time there is a school shooting my anxiety level rises.
I would like to see teachers armed also,the ones that are capable.Lots of them probably aren’t but some are.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:23 pm to finchmeister08
So the answer is hiring armed guards for all schools in America?
That's your solution?
That's your solution?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:26 pm to Vacherie Saint
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He probably believes that little kids are terrified and triggered by uniformed officers.
Is it not the point to provide some fear that would act as a deterrent? And, it could be a very good thing for kids to interact with security guards to see that they are normal people vs what the media and others tell them.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:35 pm to Kerchek
its mine.
we spend 10-15K per student per year in this country - mostly on absolute bullshite. A trained police officer is paid roughly the same as a teacher. We see them in banks, grocery stores, retailers every day. It can be done.
It also like to see security built into all of these schools. School boards LOVE to build new schools to keep their budgets fat. Why not add security fencing, coded gates, and other emergency features to these projects? Private schools have them, and do it at a fraction of the public school spend.
we have a problem with deranged children in this country that breeds the school shooter phenomenon, and undoubtedly we have to address this. Its a dynamic issue that will take generations to fix. Until then, we have a responsibility to protect children. These are relatively easy steps to take in the short term.
we spend 10-15K per student per year in this country - mostly on absolute bullshite. A trained police officer is paid roughly the same as a teacher. We see them in banks, grocery stores, retailers every day. It can be done.
It also like to see security built into all of these schools. School boards LOVE to build new schools to keep their budgets fat. Why not add security fencing, coded gates, and other emergency features to these projects? Private schools have them, and do it at a fraction of the public school spend.
we have a problem with deranged children in this country that breeds the school shooter phenomenon, and undoubtedly we have to address this. Its a dynamic issue that will take generations to fix. Until then, we have a responsibility to protect children. These are relatively easy steps to take in the short term.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:48 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:Not "relatively safe". Outright safe.
just because schools are relatively safe
quote:Where does this line of reasoning end? It sounds dangerously close to "zero tolerance" or "if it saves just one life".
doesnt mean we cant invest in protecting the most vulnerable among us.
quote:I'm sure you can find some schools or states where this is true, but it certainly does not describe the averages.
that can be had in a private school for less than half.
quote:
school security and safety is more important than a free lunch, but we dont slack on those, do we?
I'm not arguing for more free junk food.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:02 pm to Jbird
quote:No, they aren't. Elementary schools are extremely safe - and a child's chances of dying in an incident such as this are WAY less than many other, routine risks that you likely never think about.
They already are.
This same sort of over-estimation of risk is what led us to squander trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan.
What you are saying is just the other side of the left wing coin. The left is saying - OMG, this is a crisis, we have to ban guns! And the right is saying - OMG, this is a crisis, we need MORE guns. ( and in this example, "more guns" comes at least partially in the form of "let's have EVEN MORE government officers".
The correct response is: outliers happen, especially in massive, diverse populations such as the US. There is no need to ban guns OR upsize the number of government employees in the false hope of preventing some miniscule number of unpredictable, outlying events.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:02 pm to deathvalleytiger10
quote:nope
Defund the Police!
quote:yep
Remove TSA from airports!
quote:nope
No security guards anywhere!
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:03 pm to LSUA 75
quote:Yes, just think of it...on the backs of a general public empowering their politicians to overreact to terror threats.
Think of the billions that were pissed away in Afghanistan
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:06 pm to the808bass
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Because it hasn’t been shown to deter shooters.
Some reports indicate there was armed security at the Uvalde school.
It would have to be highly trained individuals who's sole job is to kill..not deter... not to break up fights in the cafeteria, but to eliminate an armed threat. IDK if that is practical or good use of funds but just having an armed rent-a-cop is not the answer.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:16 pm to Big Scrub TX
You sound like a fricking idiot. We are talking about putting resource officers and basic security in schools - which is common already across the nation. This isnt radical and it isnt a slippery slope. Its a relatively easy and affordable goal to achieve nationwide, and its being used effectively all over the country.
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:18 pm to Big Scrub TX
guess what? we could have taken that 40B and funded a resource officer in every public school in America for a decade.
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