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Posted on 5/18/18 at 4:29 pm to The Spleen
quote:
Nope. Haven't made that claim in this thread.
How about any other thread? So..just to be clear, you don't believe that more guns lead to more gun crime?
Posted on 5/18/18 at 4:36 pm to starsandstripes
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I don't think you understand rights. Also, callign something 'regulatory' doesn't make it so.
You're confused.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 4:39 pm to The Spleen
quote:you know this is already illegal?
My only original claim he questioned was that the majority of guns in Chicago come from outside Chicago
you can't purchase handguns in Indiana and bring them into Illinois without going thru an FFL licensed dealer. this includes private sales.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 4:40 pm to bmy
quote:Hmmm...how do you define the difference between a right and a privilege?
You're confused.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 4:44 pm to TJGator1215
Another GD liberal Beta Bot they created
Posted on 5/18/18 at 4:49 pm to beerJeep
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What mental illnesses will warrant taking ones guns?
All of them unless you demonstrate you're not a crazy? Easy enough. Honestly I was imagining this primarily for kids under 21
Who decides if someone is mentally sound?
Professionals? Courts? Doctors? Lets not pretend this would be a routine measure.
How long will they have to give up their guns?
immediately upon court order?
Will there be an appeals process?
i wouldnt support something without clear limits.. very temporary
How do you ensure someone is telling the truth about their mental frame of mind?
best professional judgement. we wouldnt win them all
If I go in knowing this person is going to have the ability to take my right to own a gun, why would I tell him about my depression? How do you stop this from happening?
Because it's temporary unless you need help? Idk really. Why would a criminal confess to a crime? They do it regularly.
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 5/18/18 at 4:49 pm to TJGator1215
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You're incorrect on both points.
Nope.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 4:49 pm to Dale51
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Thats the point. It can't be equated with a gun. You tried to imply if you can blame a computer program for violence, you must also blame the gun.
No I implied that you can’t excuse guns on the grounds that they are inanimate objects and then turn around and blame another inanimate object, a video game. It has to do with the logic. I’m not saying that one or the other cannot be responsible for violence for different reasons. It’s just that the “ inanimate object” logic is often faulty
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 5/18/18 at 4:50 pm to Houma Sapien
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Prove it. With facts.
quote:
Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010).
Predictable and ignorant, you are perfect for gun-control advocacy.
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 5/18/18 at 4:50 pm to bmy
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You're confused.
Not at all.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 4:55 pm to Dale51
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Hmmm...how do you define the difference between a right and a privilege?
You have the right to keep and bear arms. As a licensed individual you have the privilege to conceal a weapon. The government can specify the when, where, and the manner in which you may do so.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 5:11 pm to bmy
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All of them unless you demonstrate you're not a crazy? Easy enough. Honestly I was imagining this primarily for kids under 21
Define mental illness. And list all of them.
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Professionals? Courts? Doctors? Lets not pretend this would be a routine measure.
Ah, so you don't understand the meaning of 'regulatory'.
quote:
immediately upon court order?
Didn't answer his question and demonstrated again you don't understand regulatory.
quote:
i wouldnt support something without clear limits.. very temporary
Yes you would. You don't undertand regulatory. You don't understand due process. You don't understand rights. You don't understand how the term "mental illness" will be abused. Nothing suggest you understand how to draw limits, how to define them, how to enforce them.
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best professional judgement. we wouldnt win them all
Yes, let's trust their "professional" judgment, where they will then be at risk of being sued or charged with accessory to murder (according to TJ standards) if someone is cleared but goes on to do something violent. I'm sure that will never be abused by these "professionals". Nope. Never. Gun owners would lose each and every time but you're OK with that.
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Idk really.
Understatement.
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Why would a criminal confess to a crime? They do it regularly.
Yeah, and they are never coerced or manipulated when this happens, right? Gosh now that I think about it, there's no evidence that LE is plagued with confirmation bias and incorrectly determining when people are telling lies, who is guilty, who is innocent. Same for prosecutors. No misconduct with them, nah, never happens. But you seem to think similar abuses wouldn't happen with your suggestion, whether it be through ideology, fear of litigation, or another mechanism. But sure, let's start usurping and revoking rights.
Under your standards, a "professional" like a supervisor of elections could move to have your voting rights removed for the next election due to your demonstrated inability to think critically. That would be wonderful wouldn't it? Wouldn't you like to live under those rules? Go into an election planning to vote to legalize weed and good ole Jeff Sessions gets a report that you are not making good decisions. And there you go, say goodbye to voting. Of course that may anger you, so to protect society we're going to have to violate your 4th amendment rights and make sure there's nothing dangerous or dumbing in your house. Is that a propaganda piece on the legalization of drugs? Tisk tisk...very bad. We can't have such nonsense. Clearly you mean to violate our laws and heap chaos and destruction upon society. This will not stand. Hand over your knives, and your guns, and your car keys. You are too dangerous. Surrender your bank account as well - you might start purchasing drugs. But don't worry, it's only regulatory. We'll give it all back, just sit tight for a while.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 5:28 pm to bmy
quote:
What mental illnesses will warrant taking ones guns?
All of them unless you demonstrate you're not a crazy? Easy enough. Honestly I was imagining this primarily for kids under 21
Who decides if someone is mentally sound?
Professionals? Courts? Doctors? Lets not pretend this would be a routine measure.
How long will they have to give up their guns?
immediately upon court order?
Will there be an appeals process?
i wouldnt support something without clear limits.. very temporary
How do you ensure someone is telling the truth about their mental frame of mind?
best professional judgement. we wouldnt win them all
If I go in knowing this person is going to have the ability to take my right to own a gun, why would I tell him about my depression? How do you stop this from happening?
Because it's temporary unless you need help? Idk really. Why would a criminal confess to a crime? They do it regularly.
Ya vol ma furah.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 5:31 pm to cahoots
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No I implied that you can’t excuse guns on the grounds that they are inanimate objects and then turn around and blame another inanimate object, a video game.
No. My point was you can't equate an inanimate object like a gun in which it's use is neutral and an inanimate object like a video game that has it's violent format as part of it's use.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 5:35 pm to TennesseeFan25
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a culture that's so far gone from values, morals,
Well, that response was predictable. Why don't you just blame Democrats.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 5:37 pm to bmy
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You have the right to keep and bear arms.
Where do I have the right to bare them...as part of my right to? Not concealed?
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 5/18/18 at 6:07 pm to starsandstripes
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Define mental illness. And list all of them.
Www.google.com
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Ah, so you don't understand the meaning of 'regulatory'.
Given that i do regulatory work every day.. pretty sure you're the one failing to understand it.
quote:
Yes you would. You don't undertand regulatory. You don't understand due process. You don't understand rights
Wrong
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Nope. Never. Gun owners would lose each and every time but you're OK with that.
That is very emotional of you. Government is the most risk-averse thing on this planet. They couldn't restrict a person from owning a gun without going through the courts. They damn sure aren't going to risk violating your rights if they are not confident that the facts will convince a judge.
We can barely get them to fine a farmer for pumping animal shite into a stream.. and the stakes are much higher when we are talking about a persons 2A right.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 7:47 pm to TJGator1215
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Bingo
Yep, a gay Greek liberal who was in to satanism
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