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re: Help on this question in my daughter's AP US History class.

Posted on 9/1/23 at 9:31 am to
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 9:31 am to
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High school students ... will simply regurgitate the information ... which pleases the teacher.
Any student at any level learns to do this, if he wants a good grade.

GUIDE TO ACADEMIC SUCCESS
1. Learn the material.
2. Learn the teacher.
3. Write to flatter the teacher.
4. Graduate with honors.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 9:35 am to
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if the founding fathers had gone against the rest of the world and not allowed slavery blacks would not have been imported into the United States and George Floyd and Breonna Taylor would never have been born. Problem solved.
FAR more slaves were imported to North America in th century-and-a-half BEFORE 1789 than in the 19-year period between 1789 and the import ban implemented in 1808.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 9:38 am to
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It's AP. They're not looking for a wrong or right answer. They're grading on the quality of the writing and on the presentation of the argument. It's like debate . . . you can take either side. They're using current events to probe the question of how slavery and human rights for minorities was handled by the founders.
This post is too accurate to survive here.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 9:40 am to
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Again . . . I took AP classes and on any given question you can argue the affirmative or the negative. Any of you morons ever take a debate class?
Too many people would rather wallow in their own faux martyrdom than use their brains for something other than a hat rack.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
25294 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 9:46 am to
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Again . . . I took AP classes and on any given question you can argue the affirmative or the negative. Any of you morons ever take a debate class?


I understand what you're saying.

You don't understand what I'm saying.

There's nothing stopping a teacher or professor from grading someone's answer poorly because the answer is arguing a position that they do not like. Seeing as how these sorts of grades are extremely subjective, they can get away with it.

And based on the political climate today, those fears are not unfounded or outlandish.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
25294 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 9:48 am to
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Too many people would rather wallow in their own faux martyrdom than use their brains for something other than a hat rack.


"There's something magical about AP classes that prevents teachers from letting their political biases influence how they grade."
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 9:49 am to
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Again . . . I took AP classes and on any given question you can argue the affirmative or the negative. Any of you morons ever take a debate class?

oOOOH well took AP classes well why didnt you say so earlier

that qualifies you to be another TD pontificator like hank and BamaAtl
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
7073 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 11:26 am to
I would suggest that the answer to the question has nothing to do with the founding fathers and slavery what is 100% the responsibility of Barack Obama, the Democratic Party and the main stream media who have perpetrated lies.

All of this would be in conjunction with the development of the criminal and his actions that led to his death.

Of course all of these assertions can be backed up by significant research.

I think it was that was written your child would get a D at best based on the political leanings of the teacher regardless of the quality of the work
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 11:34 am to
My alternate history answer was a bit tongue-in-cheek, but a practical answer would explore whether the FF could have done anything differently regarding the slavery issue.

They were founding a federal republic, not a unitary national government. They were attempting to weld 13 VERY different jurisdictions into a functioning nation.
The colonies would NOT have EVER agreed to a unitary system and would NEVER all have agreed to abolition of slavery. As far as limiting slavery, they did more than I would have thought possible. In particular, they enshrined into the Constitution authority for Congress to ban the import of more slaves, which Congress DID fairly-soon thereafter.

We can say that the 3/5 Compromise might have been done differently (and perhaps that is true), but the 3/5 Compromise wasn't really related to continuation of the institution. The nonsense about "3/5 of a person" is just rhetorical silliness.

New York (and its hangers-on) wanted slaves counted for taxation purposes, but not for apportioning the House. Virginia (and its coalition) wanted them counted for apportioning the House, but NOT for taxation. Yet the coalition that didn't want them counted AT ALL for voting purposes has since been framed as the "good guys."
This post was edited on 9/1/23 at 12:18 pm
Posted by AUauditor
Georgia
Member since Sep 2004
1517 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 12:15 pm to
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She's 15 and I raised her to not care about skin color.


Based on the new definition of not recognizing that you are a racists, you are a racist.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
7073 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 9:38 pm to
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My alternate history answer was a bit tongue-in-cheek


I gave you a B+ on the earlier. A- for this!
This post was edited on 9/1/23 at 9:41 pm
Posted by Camp Randall
The Shadow of the Valley of Death
Member since Nov 2005
16319 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 11:21 pm to
Public school I presume
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
22158 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 11:23 pm to
1789 was 231 years ago. Nobody alive today was on the Earth then. If people would take accountability for their own actions and stop blaming others, we wouldn't have the problems we have today.
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
40420 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 11:46 pm to
With out constitution stance on slavery do we have two countries and potentially Louisiana purchase doesn't happen?

German immigrants of Milwaukee go Nazi support war effort. Russians prevail WW2 but Hitler escapes to Nazi America. Protest meet with military force in Nazi America - protesters not empowered protest don't happen.

If you want to go real dark Hitler doesn't have a enough Jews to gas and starts going after non Nordic types.

Nazi scientist don't go to non existent NASA instead first to punch on nuke

WW3 Russia gets nuked - Europe capitulates

Then basically you have that weird Amazon show - Japan owns west coast nazis own east coast
This post was edited on 9/1/23 at 11:59 pm
Posted by Baldy
Member since May 2020
415 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 11:49 pm to
I would go over-the-top the other way. How all minorities should be released from jail, not be arrested for any crime, and legally allowed to take YTS property with no repurcussions.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
57858 posts
Posted on 9/2/23 at 1:09 am to
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agree or disagree


Agree.

quote:

Justify


It's clear that the founding fathers should have never purchased slaves from Africa and should have sent them back to Africa after slavery was abolished. Diversity isn't a strength and is causing major problems in our country.
Posted by lizlady68
Norwalk
Member since Jan 2022
274 posts
Posted on 9/2/23 at 2:50 am to
Bogus question as what occurred in 2020 is completely irrelevant to slavery over a century earlier, any comparison has nothing to do with education and is a distraction and exercise in indoctrination.
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