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re: Have you been to a govt office? And you think they actually do work from home????
Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:52 am to KamaCausey_LSU
Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:52 am to KamaCausey_LSU
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In my experience, lawyers see themselves as too important to discipline.
Just FIFY.
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:34 am to RFK
quote:Right.
There’s no way you’ll get him back in the office.
The same is said for many in that situation. Hopefully, your cousin will need to make some decisions. That is the idea.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:43 am to trinidadtiger
The vast majority of federal employees are defense related and the vast majority of US citizens never cross their paths. The number of federal employees that actually communicate with taxpayers on a daily basis are miniscule.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:21 am to NawlinsTiger9
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Just virtue signaling from our new efficiency overlords
Picking off some low hanging fruit to get the lemmings excited
so bitter
hahaha, I love these posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:17 pm to trinidadtiger
During 2020 when WFH was becoming the rage because of Covid, I got a notice from the IRS that I had underpaid my 2018 taxes by a significant amount. I had timelu paid all my 2018 taxes. It was a substantial amount so I was forced to retain an expensive CPA/Tax Attorney to fight the IRS. He was eventually successful. He told me that about all the IRS employees were WFH, and had little training updates and VIRTUALLY NO SUPERVISION. These employees, many in their twenties and thirties, were running amok.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:22 pm to PeleofAnalytics
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The vast majority of federal employees are defense related and the vast majority of US citizens never cross their paths. The number of federal employees that actually communicate with taxpayers on a daily basis are miniscule.
Very true.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:07 pm to trinidadtiger
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Honestly, some of you ballyhooing about work from home being "forced" to come to work will run off all the good ones.
I haven't seen anyone say that government employees should be allowed to work from home. I've seen several people say it should be up to private employers, and I've seen several jealous people whine about wanting all WFH ended because they are petty bitches who don't get the benefit.
The people here who work from home have no issue with government employees being forced into an office. Your premise is false.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:13 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
I'm retired, so I'm not in one bit jealous about people that work from home.
The truth is, production, training and cohesiveness suffer when people work from home. There are infinitely more distractions at your house than at your cubicle.
I don't have a say in private businesses but I should have a say when it's my tax dollars.
The truth is, production, training and cohesiveness suffer when people work from home. There are infinitely more distractions at your house than at your cubicle.
I don't have a say in private businesses but I should have a say when it's my tax dollars.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:16 pm to Mandtgr47
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because you know, and we know, that that person is mowing the grass, playing golf, fishing, whatever, part of the time they should be working.
That's between the employer and the employee. If the employee doesn't perform satisfactorily, he can be fired. I don't see why you should care about another person's employment contract. I don't care what benefits your employer gives you.
You want to force others to work how you want them to work. That makes you an a-hole. You could learn a skill so that you can WFH too, but you'd rather pull everyone else down to your level. That's the democrats' entire platform in a nutshell.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:27 pm to El Segundo Guy
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The truth is, production, training and cohesiveness suffer when people work from home. There are infinitely more distractions at your house than at your cubicle.
Depends on your field (tech fields especially). Distractions in the office are still a thing too...I mean unless you guys didn't drink around the watering hole for 30 minutes on end after a weekend of football.
It also depends on how the office structure is organized. You could have people that were offered jobs in different areas of the country that work as the same team.
Government would have to pay for those individuals to move.
I support getting rid of shite employees and agencies, but once you remove that...you should be left with a valid, good staff that generally has the capability of working from home...of course like a stated different fields have different capacities in taking part in WFH
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:12 pm to trinidadtiger
Jesse Watters reported the last 2 nights that the Veterans Admin was having 15 person orgy's in the VA offices. Supposedly many of those involved have "retired" from the VA with their full pensions. 
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:17 pm to RFK
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He’s played 2 hours of tennis after lunch every day for the last 4 years.
And will still do it "while in the office". These threads are
. If the person isn't being held accountable now what makes you think it will change when they are "back in the office"?
What's to stop them from leaving and just coming back?
You sound like the same people who tell cops I pay your salary.
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:44 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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You want to force others to work how you want them to work. That makes you an a-hole.
Um.
Or your boss.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:45 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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What's to stop them from leaving and just coming back?
Vivek Ramaswamey.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 3:10 pm to gaetti15
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Depends on your field
Not really.
Not anywhere near as much as people claim here, anyway.
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Distractions in the office are still a thing too
Sure.
You could hang around too long in the breakroom, spend too long in the bathroom, keep some other employee from doing his or her work for ten minutes or so by engaging them in non-work related conversation.
WFH, though, you could...
play X-box, write a poem, build a house of cards, stain a dining room table, mow your lawn, sell Girl Scout cookies with your kid around the neighborhood, groom the cat, paint your nails, get a massage, bake bread, get a hair cut, fly to Phenix, get a blowjob, make a gingerbread house, play solitaire, watch Breaking Bad, give the dog a bath, gamble online, work out at the gym, protest for or against Palestine down at the public square, eat lunch out with a friend, rent a car, paint a painting, create a fantasy football league, build a computer, write commentaries on every episode of Bewitched, watch 53 videos in a row on YouTube of people being arrested or cats gagging at smelly food, do some yoga, crochet a sweater, shave your pubic hair, trim the bushes, water your plants, roll dice for as long as it takes to come up snake eyes, have a taffy pull, pop popcorn and eat it while watching Scream on Netflix, go to the actual movies, panhandle down at the mall, cruise chicks downtown, go to a bar and get stinking drunk, ring and run your entire neighborhood one house at a time, learn to ride a unicycle, put up a dunk goal in your driveway and practice behind the head dunks, write and record an album, take a nap, color every page in a coloring book without stopping, watch a green banana to see how long it takes it to start turning brown, post on TigerDroppings, practice your amateur comedy routine, learn to moonwalk as well as Michael Jackson, play air guitar to the entire 1st side of Led Zeppelin II, make 10 TicTok videos a week, time how long it takes between the time that you drink five glasses of water and the time that it takes you to almost pee your pants, count every square on a roll of toilet paper, get out all your old high school yearbooks and wonder what everyone is doing now, oil every squeaky hinge in the house, see if you can get the neighbor's dog's attention and make him bark, flip a quarter 100 times and count how many times it came up heads vs tails, learn French, and much, much more.
And no one.
Would ever.
Know.
And that's the point. It's not comparable, and it's not even close.
And everybody knows it.
It's why those of you who are adamant for it are adamant for it.
If it really was close, you wouldn't care so much.
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 12/6/24 at 3:14 pm to wackatimesthree
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And no one.
Would ever.
Know.
And that's the point. It's not comparable, and it's not even close.
And everybody knows it.
Seems performance would drop if all those things were being done on the clock?
So do you have issues with shitty employees? What if work from home folks were meeting or exceeding expectations based on performance evaluations...should they still be required to show up in the office? If so why?
ETA: this also brings up the topic of salaried employees who do not work at an hourly rate..
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 12/6/24 at 3:14 pm to wackatimesthree
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Depends on your field
Not really.
Not anywhere near as much as people claim here, anyway.
What field you work in bro?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 3:16 pm to wackatimesthree
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It's why those of you who are adamant for it are adamant for it.
If it really was close, you wouldn't care so much.
I mean I'm a tax payer that's pissed how much money the wastes on government leases for buildings. Guarantee you that's more than salary paid to govt employees
Posted on 12/6/24 at 3:22 pm to gaetti15
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Seems performance would drop if all those things were being done on the clock?
I didn't say all of them would be done. But probably any one of them is done on a daily basis. Maybe any two.
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So do you have issues with shitty employees?
Sure. That's why I'd like to know that they were shitty employees.
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should they still be required to show up in the office? If so why?
The only employees I wouldn't require to show up would be ones who worked entirely online or otherwise in a system in which they could be tracked all day.
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If so why?
Because almost no employee is going to be as productive at home.
Like I said earlier, sans an almost entirely commission or bonus based compensation structure or an unusually specific metric of production that can be tracked, everybody knows that WFH is an exercise in the employee figuring out how little they can do while satisfying an employer's expectations of production, and the rest of the day is theirs to screw off.
You know it and I know it. That's why you want to WFH in the first place.
That's the entire attraction.
Given that fact, if the employee can meet minimum standards in 6 hours (or 4 or 2), then if he or she is at the office for a full work day then he or she can produce 6 + 2.
It's not a difficult concept.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 3:23 pm to gaetti15
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Guarantee you that's more than salary paid to govt employees
I'll bet you any amount of money you want to bet that it's not.
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