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re: Have all the big cities in America turned into violent/ugly places?

Posted on 9/6/17 at 4:17 pm to
Posted by 225bred
COYS
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 9/6/17 at 4:17 pm to
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Millennials are for the most part leftist pieces of shite so who gives a frick where they live!



As a millennial, I agree 100%
Posted by Yak
DuPage County
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 9/6/17 at 4:20 pm to
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50 shot every weekend in Chicago.. yeah real fricking beautiful.
You've obviously never been to Chicago. One of the nicest cities in the nation.

The bad part might as well be in Canada.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
56146 posts
Posted on 9/6/17 at 4:20 pm to
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You sound like a stereotypical 80 year old elderly man in his underpants drinking cheap beer and screaming at his television.



or an 18 year-old that's never been anywhere that's just now learning to drink beer and operate an Iphone at the same time?
Posted by 225bred
COYS
Member since Jun 2011
21019 posts
Posted on 9/6/17 at 4:21 pm to
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he bad part might as well be in Canada.


Yeah, but it's not. Its in Chicago.. so...
Posted by Yak
DuPage County
Member since May 2014
4672 posts
Posted on 9/6/17 at 4:22 pm to
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Yeah, but it's not. Its in Chicago.. so...
And it's in a part of Chicagoland that you or I will ever see, so...

Yeah, Chicago is a beautiful city.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21764 posts
Posted on 9/6/17 at 4:31 pm to
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NYC under Rudy wasn't like this


Crime is down on the year in NYC last I checked...

Perhaps the downvoter needs some more info...

quote:

Major felony crime in New York City slid in 2016 to its lowest level in decades, as other big U.S. cities reported jumps in homicides.

Sixteen of the nation’s 20 largest police departments reported a year-over rise in homicides, a Wall Street Journal survey from last month found.




Wall Street Journal
This post was edited on 9/6/17 at 4:37 pm
Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
13292 posts
Posted on 9/6/17 at 4:33 pm to
No, I went to NYC last October and was surprised how nice and helpful everyone was, except for a run in with one a-hole on the subway.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21764 posts
Posted on 9/6/17 at 4:33 pm to
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Cities in New England


Also, you may not consider NYC New England, but last I checked something like 40% of NYC either immigrated here or are children of immigrants. 90+ languages are spoken here. I would hardly call it a homogenous population...
Posted by wmr
North of Dickson, South of Herman's
Member since Mar 2009
32518 posts
Posted on 9/6/17 at 4:34 pm to
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Have they always been cesspools of violence, drugs, mentallly ill leftists, rampant homelessness, and degeneracy?


I'm sure some Boomers can remember when large American cities weren't hellholes like most are now.

I'm Gen X and I have no living memory of large American cities being anything other than what most are now.
Posted by Andychapman13
Member since Jun 2016
2728 posts
Posted on 9/6/17 at 4:39 pm to
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It's racist to say it's demographics, but that is the truth.

No, it's not racist to point out the obvious! Don't let people convince you of this. These cities take our tax dollars to conduct these "studies" to find out why crime is so bad and the answer is right in front of us all!
Posted by wmr
North of Dickson, South of Herman's
Member since Mar 2009
32518 posts
Posted on 9/6/17 at 4:45 pm to
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White flight was a Baby Boomer thing. White millennials are moving back into the cities.


Violent crime in most big cities in the US peaked in the early to mid 1990s. Gen X started gradually terraforming parts of some central cities, but cashed out and left when we started having kids. Millennials inherited a lot of central city momentum from Gen X. I lived in a couple of different downtowns in my early 20s, but they were still shitholes for the most part. Now they're all condo'd up.

That's why shows like Friends were set in downtown wherever.

It used to be relatively cheap to live in the city center of most metros, but it was that way because of terrible crime and abandonment by families.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58520 posts
Posted on 9/6/17 at 4:45 pm to
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White millennials are moving back into the cities.
not Detroit.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
122855 posts
Posted on 9/6/17 at 4:46 pm to
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50 shot every weekend in Chicago.. yeah real fricking beautiful.


In ghetto, black majority areas

Most areas are beautiful and clean
Posted by wmr
North of Dickson, South of Herman's
Member since Mar 2009
32518 posts
Posted on 9/6/17 at 4:48 pm to
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not Detroit.


There is actually quite a bit of new development happening in central Detroit these days. It isn't the total wasteland that it was in the early 2000s.

I remember in '01 when I would tell people I "live downtown", they'd look at me like I was insane. And then ask "where?" because they couldn't even imagine that there were people living "downtown".
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
48737 posts
Posted on 9/6/17 at 4:59 pm to
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Have all the big cities in America turned into violent/ugly places?



Seems that way but I wouldn't want to live in a big city even without the violence, too many people.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 9/6/17 at 5:00 pm to
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I'm sure some Boomers can remember when large American cities weren't hellholes like most are now.


Actually they were closer to hell holes when boomers dominated the landscape and are pretty cool, safe places today. This idea that the are cesspools of violence, etc, is imaginary old man, never visited a city nonsense.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58520 posts
Posted on 9/6/17 at 5:02 pm to
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Actually they were closer to hell holes when boomers dominated the landscape and are pretty cool, safe places today. This idea that the are cesspools of violence, etc, is imaginary old man, never visited a city nonsense.
you sound just as jaded as those old men you keep shite talking.
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
8641 posts
Posted on 9/6/17 at 5:02 pm to
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No - post-Reagan (and Giuliani had a lot to do with it in NYC), some urban areas experienced a rebirth with additional resources - there was particular emphasis attacking the crime associated with cocaine trafficking in Miami, for example. Atlanta, NYC, Washington D.C. - all rose up from being considered relatively crime ridden to relatively prosperous (within reason - you still have to mind your cross streets, alleys, and times of day, baw).

On the other hand, we've seen the utter collapse - particularly in the rust belt, of places like Detroit and Chicago (although parts of Chicago are still pretty awesome, the general collapse is driving a net downward trend - think Detroit 25 or 30 years ago.)


Chicago is actually much, much, much better than it was in the 1980's and 1990's. It followed the relative path of New York and LA, just not as sharply. Chicago isn't going down the path of Detroit for a whole host of reasons any time soon, but there are huge problems that will bring a reckoning soon enough. 2015 was the least violent year Chicago had since the early 1960's. The last 18 months or so are definitely concerning, but I do not believe it's a permanent trend, and it's still very localized to certain neighborhoods unlike it used to be,

Chicago over the last forty years is actually a great microcosm of what happened to the country writ large. Violent crime dropped significantly but became a lot more concentrated. There has been a hell of a lot of gentrification, all while incredible wealth has become even more concentrated. Loss of manufacturing hit certain areas of the city pretty hard, while enormous growth in the service industries has enabled other parts of the city to boom and then continually gentrify outwards.

Chicago is losing people, but that's a fairly deceiving stat. It's largely losing the working class and the impoverished, as it's too expensive to live in a decent area for many of them, and the bad areas are too violent (and the schools too poor). Starting in the early 1990's and continuing until about 2011, the city aggressively started tearing down the huge public housing projects that had been nests for some of the worst crime in the country. Tearing down Cabrini Green alone forced almost 30,000 people to move away. Henry Horner and Robert Taylor were at least that size, if not bigger, as well. Median income has actually gone way up in the city over the last decade or two.

And I would disagree on New Orleans. It was once a great American city and still out punches its weight in cultural influence (and perhaps even economic with the port and location) perhaps more than anywhere else in America.
This post was edited on 9/6/17 at 5:05 pm
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 9/6/17 at 5:03 pm to
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you sound just as jaded as those old men you keep shite talking.


Because I'm saying cities aren't hellholes? WTF.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 9/6/17 at 5:14 pm to
Go walkin on sunshine in Little Rock or Birmingham or Memphis after dark dumbass
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