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re: H1N1 vs. Coronavirus - Why are they not comparable?
Posted on 3/26/20 at 12:17 pm to bfniii
Posted on 3/26/20 at 12:17 pm to bfniii
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oh but the "models" are ok to believe, right? so let's shut the country down based on the models.
i'm sorry you can't see the inconsistency in your position
"My position" was just created by you for the purposes of attacking that straw man argument.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 12:20 pm to BugAC
quote:It was declared a pandemic by WHO and the CDC in JUNE 2009. Maybe you would like to revisit yours.
January 2009 H1N1 was declared a pandemic. April the first US case was detercted. October 24, 2009 (6 months later), after 1,000 died, did Obama declare it a Public Health Emergency.
In comparison, December 31, 2019 China first reported Coronavirus to the world. January 31st Trump declared it a public health emergency. Quarantines were set in place, and you called Trump racist.
Care to revisit your last comment?
Posted on 3/26/20 at 1:22 pm to bfniii
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the comparison isn't the epidemiology.
It absolutely is. Unless you want to say apples and oranges are the same because they are fruit and you eat them both.
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the comparison is the reaction to outbreaks.
The reaction is due to what happens when there’s a lack of reaction. 4 countries had hospitals overrun.
You saw New York politicians encouraging people to go out early on. Now they have half the cases in the US and their hospitals are struggling to keep up.
They reacted too late.
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yes people are going to die. people die every day from all sorts of risks.
This post was edited on 3/26/20 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 3/27/20 at 9:49 am to Powerman
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Viral outbreaks are exponential in nature
Repeat the above sentence 500 fricking times in your head if you have to until you get it
The 4000 number was actually estimated on November 12th.So we're talking a little over a month to come up 3000 deaths.
So if we're looking at and "exponential rates" you're looking at 12,000 deaths+ through December.
So that means a grand total of 15000 in those 2 months (minimum) which would top the official death tally by about 2,500.
Doesn't quite add up.
Posted on 3/28/20 at 1:05 pm to TH03
quote:my comment wasn't necessarily aimed specifically at your comment
"My position" was just created by you for the purposes of attacking that straw man argument
Posted on 3/28/20 at 1:13 pm to BobBoucher
quote:it is not and i have explained multiple times how that's not the case. at a certain political level, an outbreak is an outbreak. you do the same thing for both - stem the tide. THAT'S what people are trying to get across but is obviously escaping you
It absolutely is
quote:this has been shown to be not analogous to those who are keeping up. see the latest cdc comments on how badly the models were off
4 countries had hospitals overrun
quote:not exactly. as of yesterday, there were still cases of the most critical equipment sitting unused in a warehouse and the gov admitting they weren't really that urgent right after he had gone out and made a public cry of hysteria that he needed quadruple the number that were sitting in his own warehouse.
Now they have half the cases in the US and their hospitals are struggling to keep up.
quote:and for every nyc you cite, i'll cite every other city that isn't a hotspot. this virus is hitting a handful of cities. the rest of the country is hardly noticing any serious cases/deaths. you are really missing the context of this situation
They reacted too late
quote:again, looking around, i think most people agree with what i have been saying
you’d make a lousy politician.
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