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H-1B Visa Crackdown
Posted on 5/12/18 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 5/12/18 at 10:20 pm
Looks like they are cracking down on H-1B and H-2B visa abuse.
Visa Crackdown
I work for a company that employs 90% H-1B visa employees in the US. They pay their H-1B employees about half what they pay American citizens. They get away with it because they put these H-1B consultants in a lower grade, as if they were a junior consultant right out of college and they require them to relocate for every new job, even if it is a one month long project. The relocation requirement allows them to compare their workers with local workers rather than traveling consultants, who get paid much more.
Visa Crackdown
I work for a company that employs 90% H-1B visa employees in the US. They pay their H-1B employees about half what they pay American citizens. They get away with it because they put these H-1B consultants in a lower grade, as if they were a junior consultant right out of college and they require them to relocate for every new job, even if it is a one month long project. The relocation requirement allows them to compare their workers with local workers rather than traveling consultants, who get paid much more.
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Posted on 5/12/18 at 10:57 pm to Jax-Tiger
Thank God. Now if they’d just index the salary requirements with inflation.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 11:02 pm to Jax-Tiger
I voted Trump in order to crackdown on immigration.
Trump doing work.
Trump doing work.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 12:04 am to Jax-Tiger
I am currently working here in USA on a H1B visa and know a good bit about how it is used. I have been on an H1B visa since 2010. I don't work in the industry, but I am a college professor and teach computer science and hence am intimately aware of how H1B is being used/missused in the industry. There are lots of abuse, but there are lots of cases where H1B is being used perfectly legitimately.
All these initiatives wouldn't do much to stop H1B abuse. There are lots of loopholes and the things you are reading here are scratching the surface.
The whole legal employment based immigration system is broken and needs serious overhaul. H1B is just a part of it. Unfortunately neither Republicans not Democrats want to do anything meaningful as far as fixing legal immigration is concerned.
All these initiatives wouldn't do much to stop H1B abuse. There are lots of loopholes and the things you are reading here are scratching the surface.
The whole legal employment based immigration system is broken and needs serious overhaul. H1B is just a part of it. Unfortunately neither Republicans not Democrats want to do anything meaningful as far as fixing legal immigration is concerned.
This post was edited on 5/13/18 at 12:08 am
Posted on 5/13/18 at 12:13 am to Snazzmeister
Wouldn't change a thing. You can pay an H1B worker the same salary as you would to an US citizen, but ask them to work twice as much. Most H1B workers will (unhappily) oblige as their choice is to either suck it up or leave USA. I am from India. You can't even imagine how much social prestige working in USA for an average Indian is. So many people will be ok with extremely harsh working conditions.
Some shady consultancies would even go as far as paying a high salary, but then requiring employees to give a portion back under the table.
Some shady consultancies would even go as far as paying a high salary, but then requiring employees to give a portion back under the table.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 12:23 am to matthew25
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I voted Trump in order to crackdown on immigration.
Trump doing work
I find this amusingly ironic. You live in a country built on immigration - sometimes voluntary, sometimes forced, sometimes legal, sometimes illegal. Yet you want to stop immigration. You didn't make any distinction between legal and illegal. So I am guessing you want to stop any and all immigration.
I consider myself a wannabe immigrant to USA. I wonder if we ever knew each other personally, would that change your opinion about immigration and immigrants or not.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 12:27 am to ewdij
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Wouldn't change a thing.
Something as already happened. My company came out and announced that they were hiring 10,000 American citizens. They also dropped their H-1B requests by 90% for this year.
That is in response to this upcoming initiative. They are afraid that the US government will cut off their visa applications completely.
Even if they are obeying the letter of the law, if they start using loopholes to get around the spirit of the law, their applications can be denied.
The funny thing is that as the economy gets cooking, there will be a need for more of these visas, not fewer. The abuse over the last 10 years really hurt because the market was slow and these visas really hurt American workers - forcing many into different lines of work.
I would like to see these workers get a status that doesn't tie them to an employer. In other words, the employer doesn't hold exclusive rights to that employee. If that were the case, then companies would have to pay market wages, because, as was mentioned, there are many companies that don't abuse the visas and pay their employees fairly. If the wages are the same, the companies truly will try to hire an American citizen first, and then hire a foreign worker if they truly an't find an American.
This post was edited on 5/13/18 at 12:32 am
Posted on 5/13/18 at 12:35 am to ewdij
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I find this amusingly ironic. You live in a country built on immigration - sometimes voluntary, sometimes forced, sometimes legal, sometimes illegal. Yet you want to stop immigration.
I don't know of anybody who wants to stop legal immigration. It's the progressives that started the trend of not distinguishing between the two. Nobody is cracking down on "immigration". Legal immigration is legal and therefore doesn't need to be cracked down on.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 12:42 am to ewdij
I don’t entirely disagree, however, I’ll echo Jax Tiger from the position of someone who’s been intimately involved with awarding contracts for H1B workers. When, for example, Tata submits a proposal for contract workers, there is a large level of overhead included in their pricing. They cover a range of costs from sponsorship, hiring, needs matching, etc. Were the H1B program to be indexed with inflation, the base salary figure would be upwards of 100k for every H1B applicant (last I checked). That rise in price would automatically make American workers more appealing for those 80k a year jobs that we’re currently contacting out for 60k. Tack on the tertiary costs companies like Tata have and that figure climbs even higher.
The H1B program was intended to be a genius grant. Not modern indentured servitude.
The H1B program was intended to be a genius grant. Not modern indentured servitude.
This post was edited on 5/13/18 at 12:44 am
Posted on 5/13/18 at 12:49 am to ewdij
Here's what I see: Indians and India are racist as frick. Not only are Indians some of the most blatantly racist people on the planet, but it's real racism. Not sjw racism.
As far as I'm concerned, keep India in India, and America in America. Token immigration is fine and economically necessary, but we don't need more curry.
As far as I'm concerned, keep India in India, and America in America. Token immigration is fine and economically necessary, but we don't need more curry.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 1:16 am to ewdij
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I find this amusingly ironic. You live in a country built on immigration - sometimes voluntary, sometimes forced, sometimes legal, sometimes illegal. Yet you want to stop immigration. You didn't make any distinction between legal and illegal. So I am guessing you want to stop any and all immigration.
I consider myself a wannabe immigrant to USA. I wonder if we ever knew each other personally, would that change your opinion about immigration and immigrants or not
I deal with immigrants daily. I love the ones I deal with, and they are my friends. My wife is also an immigrant. That does not mean that I want the entire planet with an open door.
I want the people that have moved here to become Americans. I want them to adopt our culture and values. I want to dramatically slow ALL new immigration so the ones we have now can do so. If they love their homeland too much to become one of us, then they should go the hell back to the place from whence they came.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 1:36 am to ewdij
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You live in a country built on immigration
There was no welfare for the original immigrants that built this country and there was a lot of land and future economic activity to be had. I think we've reached the max at this point. Time to start making their own countries better.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:10 am to Snazzmeister
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The H1B program was intended to be a genius grant. Not modern indentured servitude.
This /\
prog/DEMs have turned the plowshares we generously provide into swords with which to eviscerate the providers.
Immigration should be looked at on an 'as needed' basis. NOT as a political weapon with which to 'vote in' a culture that is incompatible with our current culture.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:22 am to ewdij
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I find this amusingly ironic. You live in a country built on immigration
This is a myth. Most of this country was built on settlers not immigrants. Our ancestors were here before the US was a country.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:35 am to tiggerthetooth
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You live in a country built on immigration
There was no welfare for the original immigrants that built this country and there was a lot of land and future economic activity to be had. I think we've reached the max at this point. Time to start making their own countries better.
Amen.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:37 am to GumboPot
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I find this amusingly ironic. You live in a country built on immigration
Every place on this planet, is inhabited by people whose ancestors at one point moved there. America does not have a special obligation to take anyone.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 8:51 am to Jax-Tiger
Posted on 5/13/18 at 9:00 am to ewdij
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You live in a country built on immigration - sometimes voluntary, sometimes forced, sometimes legal, sometimes illegal.
What ironically amusing bullshjt.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 9:27 am to cokebottleag
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Here's what I see: Indians and India are racist as frick. Not only are Indians some of the most blatantly racist people on the planet, but it's real racism. Not sjw racism.
This is rich. You’re probably not, however.
Posted on 5/13/18 at 4:50 pm to Jorts R Us
I’m not.
But I am well traveled.
Also: research backs me up.
But I am well traveled.
Also: research backs me up.
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