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Guys, you are arguing over the wrong thing re: Net Neutrality
Posted on 11/24/17 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 11/24/17 at 3:49 pm
Yes, packets are packets. 1s and 0s are 1s and 0s. Yes, they should all be treated equally by ISPs. ISPs should be held in check so they don't censor the internet. Not many people dispute that.
The real argument here is HOW to keep them in check. A lot of you want to throw the market out the window and run to daddy government. Only, daddy governmet as created the problem of a lack of options in many areas, which has given the big bad ISPs the ability to charge extra for the packets they want to charge more for. Some of have options, but some don't. I have had 4 different ISPs at my house. I love the current one, Mediacom. Why do I have choice? Because the state and/or local officials her do not hold a death grip on what companies can run lines into my neighborhood.
Imagine that, more government regulation yields less choice and more bullshite from service providers. Less government regulation yields more choice and less bullshite from service providers. This is something most on this board typically agree on when it comes to any other industry. But for some reason, most of you are caught up arguing whether data is data or not.
The answer is not to give a bigger government agency more power to make the system they fricked up even more fricked up. We did this with Obamacare and a number of other industries where people thought daddy government was the answer. They all turned out to be the same result, fewer choices and higher prices. This is no exception.
Use your energy to pressure your state and local governments to open up permitting and expansion by private companies, and you will find a consumer-based market follows. Laying it off to daddy fed will have the exact opposite effect you are looking for.
The real argument here is HOW to keep them in check. A lot of you want to throw the market out the window and run to daddy government. Only, daddy governmet as created the problem of a lack of options in many areas, which has given the big bad ISPs the ability to charge extra for the packets they want to charge more for. Some of have options, but some don't. I have had 4 different ISPs at my house. I love the current one, Mediacom. Why do I have choice? Because the state and/or local officials her do not hold a death grip on what companies can run lines into my neighborhood.
Imagine that, more government regulation yields less choice and more bullshite from service providers. Less government regulation yields more choice and less bullshite from service providers. This is something most on this board typically agree on when it comes to any other industry. But for some reason, most of you are caught up arguing whether data is data or not.
The answer is not to give a bigger government agency more power to make the system they fricked up even more fricked up. We did this with Obamacare and a number of other industries where people thought daddy government was the answer. They all turned out to be the same result, fewer choices and higher prices. This is no exception.
Use your energy to pressure your state and local governments to open up permitting and expansion by private companies, and you will find a consumer-based market follows. Laying it off to daddy fed will have the exact opposite effect you are looking for.
Posted on 11/24/17 at 3:53 pm to SoulGlo
The Feds just said yesterday that not only are they rolling back NN rules, but they aren't enforcing anything against the providers. Fair enough, right?
Except for the fact that they also said that state and local governments can't do anything about it.
You cool with that?
Except for the fact that they also said that state and local governments can't do anything about it.
You cool with that?
Posted on 11/24/17 at 3:54 pm to SoulGlo
quote:Easier to do as well... but the reality is ISP isn't very profitable. No one really wants into the business. People are certain they are getting ripped off... but the lack of profit and belays that perception...
Use your energy to pressure your state and local governments to open up permitting and expansion by private companies, and you will find a consumer-based market follows. Laying it off to daddy fed will have the exact opposite effect you are looking for.
But further... what the pro NN people don't seem to realize is that taking this out of the FCC's hands does NOT mean total deregualation. It will only move things to the Federal Trade Commission that actually has a better regulatory structure, and history of action protecting consumers. They just blocked the aT&T TimeWarner merger, for example. There's a reason the telcos want to keep this in the FCC's hands...
This post was edited on 11/24/17 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 11/24/17 at 3:58 pm to JuiceTerry
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The Feds just said yesterday that not only are they rolling back NN rules, but they aren't enforcing anything against the providers. Fair enough, right?
Except for the fact that they also said that state and local governments can't do anything about it.
You cool with that?
Yep, we had a long thread two days ago. On top of their NN actions, the FCC is going to invalidate any state law that doesn't adhere to their crony deregulations. Including invalidating state transparency laws that make sure cable companies and ISP's disclose hidden fees and information about data caps to the consumer.
LINK /
Don't worry though, I'm sure the OP is about to change his tune based on this new information, since he sincerely cares about states' rights.
This post was edited on 11/24/17 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 11/24/17 at 4:16 pm to JuiceTerry
quote:
The Feds just said yesterday that not only are they rolling back NN rules, but they aren't enforcing anything against the providers. Fair enough, right?
Yes. Keep the feds the frick out of the internet.
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Except for the fact that they also said that state and local governments can't do anything about it.
You cool with that?
Holy shite, can you read?
THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT BE THE ONE ENFORCING THIS.
We have to force the government to open up their permitting and regulations to foster an actual market. Then WE as consumers, control the providers just like we dobwith every other good and service on tbe open market.
Why the hell are youvso quick to emasculate yourself to become a powerless government eunuch?
Posted on 11/24/17 at 4:17 pm to SoulGlo
What is the Net Neutrality Nut Suckers explanation for the fact that providers already throttle certain websites, limit data, and charge people more for faster speeds?
The stuff they are fear mongering about is already here under the current system.
The stuff they are fear mongering about is already here under the current system.
Posted on 11/24/17 at 4:17 pm to SoulGlo
quote:
Yes, packets are packets. 1s and 0s are 1s and 0s. Yes, they should all be treated equally by ISPs. ISPs should be held in check so they don't censor the internet. Not many people dispute that.
We have seen plenty of people on here argue otherwise
Posted on 11/24/17 at 4:23 pm to SoulGlo
Cool
Can anyone here name one single time that governmental deregulation fricked over US consumers or the country at large? One time?
Hmm..
WE LITERALLY NEED NO GOVERNMENT!!
Can anyone here name one single time that governmental deregulation fricked over US consumers or the country at large? One time?
Hmm..
WE LITERALLY NEED NO GOVERNMENT!!
This post was edited on 11/24/17 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 11/24/17 at 4:28 pm to SoulGlo
quote:
We have to force the government to open up their permitting and regulations to foster an actual market
This statement shows that you have no idea what you are talking about. The issue isn't permitting or local regulations, it's the current attachers to utility poles, their lobbyists, and the refusal to do their legal duty of relocating on poles to allow for other attachers. Do some research on the Google project in places like Nashville.
Go ahead and look up the term "one touch make ready." Hell, I'll help. LINK
How is that for fostering a market?
This post was edited on 11/24/17 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 11/24/17 at 6:14 pm to taylork37
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This statement shows that you have no idea what you are talking about.
Semantics, a-hole. Get off your pedestal.
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current attachers to utility poles, their lobbyists, and the refusal to do their legal duty of relocating on poles to allow for other attachers.
This is the shite I'm talking about. Good ol boy networks and deals with local officials. You skip right over that and scream for federal intervention, despite decades of fedgov frickups.
Pull up your skirt, grab your balls, and take control as a consumer.
Posted on 11/24/17 at 6:40 pm to JuiceTerry
quote:
WE LITERALLY NEED NO GOVERNMENT!!
You continue to prove that Corky would beat you in a battle of wits.
"Necessary evil" ring a bell?
There are some things for which government is necessary. This is not one of them.
Posted on 11/24/17 at 6:45 pm to SoulGlo
You've personally attacked every person in the thread that has disagreed with your dumb arse diatribe. You've yet to counter any of them with logic, and you've dodged questions.
Always a sure sign of a confident, winning argument
Always a sure sign of a confident, winning argument
Posted on 11/24/17 at 6:57 pm to JuiceTerry
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You've personally attacked every person in the thread
Yours has been building up a while. Not just this issue
Attack me, and I'll play ball.
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counter any of them with logic
Counter what? Excuses for not doing their job as consumers and citizens?
I have lived in several places with options for internet… and I want to keep it that way. All you people do is bitch about those places not existing.
Typical liberal bullshite. You have to drag everybody into the same shithole as you because things aren't how you want them. Instead of turningg every place into shitty internet choice, how about looking at the places that ARE working and change the places that aren't?
Posted on 11/25/17 at 8:14 am to SoulGlo
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Good ol boy networks and deals with local officials. You skip right over that and scream for federal intervention, despite decades of fedgov frickups.
Dude, you are just clueless to the issue and what I am arguing. All you are doing is ignoring the argument thrown out while repeating your party line.
I am not advocating for NN in this specific argument, all I am doing is countering your argument that if local government would get out of the way there wouldnt be a competition issue. Which as my last post proved, is just not the case.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 8:49 am to SoulGlo
You don't know what you are talking about...
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