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Great lecture on Postmodernism. All we are now seeing started in the Universities
Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:00 am
Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:00 am
The Evolution of Postmodern Thought, a lecture by Helen Pluckrose
It’s 34 minutes long and a little dense. I paused a few times to rewind.
She makes some excellent observations.
Here’s just one quote that I transcribed:
It’s 34 minutes long and a little dense. I paused a few times to rewind.
She makes some excellent observations.
Here’s just one quote that I transcribed:
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“Critical Race Theory is rooted in some very strong scholarship by liberal humanist and Marxist scholars which pointed out that white identity had been formed at the expense of black identity.
It is essential to note that critical race theory is originally an American phenomenon and the evidence that America was a racially divided society with blacks as second class citizens until very recently is indisputable.
However, with it’s recent descent into postmodern discourse analysis and it’s conceptions of modern society as entirely underlain by systems of white supremacy operating in mysterious ways, Critical Race Theory has become quite unhinged. It threatens to undo much of the progress that has been made on racial equality.
Using methods that assume racism to be present in any interaction between a white person and person of a racial minority results in always finding it and further entrenching the belief in an ever-present white supremacy. Things that have been listed as micro-aggressions include complimenting a black person on their eloquence, saying that you do not see people in terms of race, or that you believe the best person for a job should get it. It is clear what a mine field this is.
Of course the people most affected by being trained to read everything in this way are racial minorities. Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt describe this entire method as a form of reverse Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. CBT teaches people not to catastrophize and not to read negative meaning into everything. This decreases anxiety and increases one’s functioning in the world. Applied post-modernism trains people to do just the opposite. It cannot but help to increase anxiety and decrease ability to function.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:12 am to Jimbeaux
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Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt describe this entire method as a form of reverse Cognitive Behavioral Therapy.
I am a couple of chapters from finishing their book. An outstanding read that I highly recommend. It was published in 2017 and addresses what they observed from roughly 2014 - 2016 on college campuses, specifically cancel culture and shouting down invited lecturers by what were essentially student mobs.
Those college students from 2014-2106 are now in their early twenties and have taken that garbage, maladaptive thinking to the workplace and streets. Gen Zs are going to have long and miserable lives because they lack the ability to cope with even the most modest of setbacks, slights, or even perceived wrongs that may not even affect them.
LINK
Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:18 am to Wildcat1996
Just added to my audible.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:19 am to Jimbeaux
This gets to the point I have made here for well over a decade. It is most accurate on the ground level to view Progressives from a psychological viewpoint rather than an ideological viewpoint. When people said "Liberalism is a mental disease" 15 years ago, people scoffed. When people now say "Progressivism is a mental disease" everybody gets it. These are people who have convinced themselves that living in the freest and most prosperous country in human history is actually like living through a racistsexisthomophobic dystopian nightmare. They shop at Whole Foods one moment and then throw a brick through the window the next. It's a sickness under the thin veneer of ideological theory. It is rooted in deep ignorance, narcissism, resentment and personal alienation. And they gather en masse and project it via Marxist sloganeering and destruction of American traditions, principle, ideals and Institutions, out into the world. And they would replace all that with whatever passion they happen to feel on any given day. It is a dangerous Infantilism of the mind and heart.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:20 am to Jimbeaux
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However, with it’s recent descent into postmodern discourse analysis and it’s conceptions of modern society as entirely underlain by systems of white supremacy operating in mysterious ways, Critical Race Theory has become quite unhinged. It threatens to undo much of the progress that has been made on racial equality.
This is nonsensical. I'm working on a long series of posts as to why the term "postmodernism" is now a catch-all term for everything that is conveniently bad. Pluckrose and especially James Lindsey have been amazingly sloppy in their analysis.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:21 am to Jimbeaux
To be honest I think it might be a better "intro" lecture than any of JL's stuff.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:22 am to crazy4lsu
Looks like your reply is nonsensical, especially since it lacks content.
This post was edited on 7/7/20 at 10:23 am
Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:26 am to crazy4lsu
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This is nonsensical. I'm working on a long series of posts as to why the term "postmodernism" is now a catch-all term for everything that is conveniently bad. Pluckrose and especially James Lindsey have been amazingly sloppy in their analysis.
I await your stuff on this
That said, from my perspective, I've found Pluckrose and Lindsay are far clearer in distinguishing CRT, etc. and social justice theory from postmodernism than people who follow Pluckrose and Lindsay are (like me). People like me need terminology to use to describe what's around us, and it's been hard to settle on something to encompass the big tent concepts.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:28 am to tiggerthetooth
I started grad school at Auburn in 1971. I was there for two years.
I thought I was middle of the road then, maybe slightly conservative.
I was around professors and deans all day long. I felt very uncomfortable with the growing number of commies and commie lites even back then.
I can’t imagine how it is now as academia has gotten even more liberal and I have grown more conservative.
I thought I was middle of the road then, maybe slightly conservative.
I was around professors and deans all day long. I felt very uncomfortable with the growing number of commies and commie lites even back then.
I can’t imagine how it is now as academia has gotten even more liberal and I have grown more conservative.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:30 am to BoyTiger
Auburn was still fairly conservative when I was there. There were progressives, but this illiberal shite wasn't really around. It was more run of the mill, anti-war, anti Bush type stuff.
But in law school, multiple classes involved critical theory concepts (particularly critical race theory because it is legal in origin). It's pretty amazing how strongly those ideas have taken hold in a fairly short period of time.
But in law school, multiple classes involved critical theory concepts (particularly critical race theory because it is legal in origin). It's pretty amazing how strongly those ideas have taken hold in a fairly short period of time.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:30 am to crazy4lsu
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This is nonsensical
Do expound on this thought ....
Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:31 am to Pettifogger
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That said, from my perspective, I've found Pluckrose and Lindsay are far clearer in distinguishing CRT, etc. and social justice theory from postmodernism than people who follow Pluckrose and Lindsay are (like me). People like me need terminology to use to describe what's around us, and it's been hard to settle on something to encompass the big tent concepts.
Good call.
I’m preparing for crazy4lsu to have an entire strawman festival over the perceived misuse of terminology.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:34 am to Jimbeaux
I fully expect crazy4lsu to give very compelling reasons why we're getting the philosophical roots wrong, and why the people we're listening to are lazy and not nuanced in explaining it to us.
I fully expect my takeaway to be "I don't think it really matters", but I do genuinely appreciate his efforts here.
I fully expect my takeaway to be "I don't think it really matters", but I do genuinely appreciate his efforts here.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:36 am to Jimbeaux
I have other posts about it, but my phone is dying and I'm at the dealership. I can have a critique up by tonight after I've watched the video too. There is also a critical theory thread I was gonna bump after med school semester finishes.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:40 am to crazy4lsu
Okay. Looking forward to your contribution.
Still, you’re tart reply belies a lack of open mindedness.
Still, you’re tart reply belies a lack of open mindedness.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 11:05 am to BigJim
Yes, well, it’s a bit more than “duh”.
The fuller understanding and terminology needs to spread to more people so that it can be resisted.
The fuller understanding and terminology needs to spread to more people so that it can be resisted.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 11:18 am to crazy4lsu
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the term "postmodernism" is now a catch-all term for everything that is conveniently bad.
it has been for a while, along with other terms like "cultural marxism" (the two are sometimes, oddly conflated).
that said, i think what we're seeing now parallels what we saw during the 1968 revolutions and their fallout - a split between the academic/cultural left and what you might call the practical or reforming left or just labor. the former is more concerned with taking down statues and cancel culture, while the latter is concerned with police brutality and income inequality.
when he was alive, richard rorty seemed to have the most insight into the internecine fighting amongst the left. i appreciated that he was able to condemn the cultural left (today's twitter mobs) participating in the "america sucks sweepstakes", but was still hopeful for and committed to a fair and just american society.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 11:44 am to Jimbeaux
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The fuller understanding and terminology needs to spread to more people so that it can be resisted.
Not sure that is best method of resistance as you might be fighting on their home turf, but sure.
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Yes, well, it’s a bit more than “duh”.
Anyone that has any association with colleges in the past 30 years knows this has been going on. And accelerating in the past decade.
Plus, c'mon, I found it funny to reply to an exegesis of postmodernism and critical theory with simple "duh."
Posted on 7/7/20 at 12:11 pm to BigJim
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Plus, c'mon, I found it funny to reply to an exegesis of postmodernism and critical theory with simple "duh."
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