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re: God dictates gender, which does not exist on a spectrum and cannot be changed
Posted on 6/11/19 at 11:40 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 6/11/19 at 11:40 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:no. hermaphroditism is exceedingly rare and not a "spectrum." it is a biological anomaly. an exception that proves the rule. sex/gender is binary. it does not occur on a spectrum.
But sex does naturally occur on a spectrum (see: hermaphrodite, eg)
quote:altered? elaborate
"Masculine and feminine" refers to gender and is generally subjective, often culturally dependent, and can be altered
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Posted on 6/12/19 at 6:27 am to bfniii
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altered? elaborate
Generally males (sex) are masculine (gender). But some men (sex) prefer to be feminine (gender). They often do this through changing their appearance from what is culturally considered masculine dress, speech and mannerisms to feminine dress, speech and mannerisms, and more and more recently through, genital mutilation.
In short, a man in a dress is not a woman (sex), but he is feminine (gender).
Posted on 6/12/19 at 6:30 am to Saint Alfonzo
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All of this is complete nonsense. Sociological gobbledygook designed to obfuscate what people have known to be true for eons. There are men and there are women. Period, end of story.
It's just the opposite. I'm fighting through the gobbledygook and going back to original definitions of the terms, 'sex' and 'gender'. Sex is determined genetically (x,y), gender is not.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 6:34 am to rattlebucket
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There is no way to tell the gender of a fetus, but you can tell the sex of one.
mental illness and obliviousness wrapped up all in one folks
A sonogram may reveal a penis, a blood test may reveal xx or xy chromosomes, but all that reveals is the sex of the fetus - whether it's male or female. There's no way to tell what the gender will be once it develops into a adult. The gender may be masculine or feminine regardless of sex. 'God' determines the sex, not the gender.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 6:36 am to westide
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I have searched the Bible and I can't find where it says God created trannies.
Neither did I,,,, but I did find where He destroyed a couple of cities because of homosexuality !!!!
Posted on 6/12/19 at 6:47 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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A sonogram may reveal a penis, a blood test may reveal xx or xy chromosomes, but all that reveals is the sex of the fetus - whether it's male or female. There's no way to tell what the gender will be once it develops into a adult. The gender may be masculine or feminine regardless of sex. 'God' determines the sex, not the gender.
That’s a lot of words to say that we don’t know how someone will act in the future. A male can pretend and dress up as a female all he wants, doesn’t make him any less male than God made him. An adult can act like a child all he wants, doesn’t change his age. Trannies are just pretending and expecting everyone else to join in and act like their delusions are reality.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 6:55 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Masculine and feminine are traits referring to your manner or appearance, they don’t change day to day. I can be a masculine man, or an effeminate man, but being and a feminine man does not make me a woman, and pretending that I am it’s not something that should be encouraged. It’s a mental illness.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:01 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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It's just the opposite. I'm fighting through the gobbledygook and going back to original definitions of the terms, 'sex' and 'gender'. Sex is determined genetically (x,y), gender is not
You're certainly not "fighting through the gobbledlygook." You've accepted the gobbledlygook hook, line, and sinker, and now you're spouting the talking points like this is all scientific consensus. It's nothing more than bullshite made up out of thin air by sociologist and gender studies academicians with too much time on their hands.
Let me demonstrate how easy this is.
First, take a quick look at this video: 29-year-old man wants to be a baby
Would you say the man depicted in this video is disturbed? Would you say there are some mental issues at play here?
There aren't. Chlender (chronological gender) is simply a social construct that we've developed. It has nothing to do with age, which is assigned at birth, so to speak. Chlender is a spectrum. A person can have a low age, but identify as a very mature and elderly person. Or a woman whose age is 89 can identify as a toddler. We should be very careful about stigmatizing people whose chlender does not align with their age. and we should be sure that we accommodate their chlender preferences and treat them accordingly. A good way to start would be making sure that low-age people who identify as older are provided the services that we've traditionally reserved for people whose advanced chlender identity matches their advanced age, such as driver's licenses and ability to consent to sex. Likewise, people who may be of advanced age but have a younger chlender identity should be have access to quality daycare and shouldn't be turned away by nannying and daycare services simply because of their biological age.
Your idea of "gender" is nothing more than a facet of someone's personality. You can be a more effeminate man, and there's nothing wrong with that. You can be a tomboy girl, and there's nothing wrong with that. Just like a 13-year-old can be very mature for their age. Or a 50-year-old can be very immature for their age. Why aren't we accommodating these people's chlender preferences!!?? I'll tell you why: because we're cis-chlender shitlord society.
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They often do this through changing their appearance from what is culturally considered masculine dress, speech and mannerisms to feminine dress, speech and mannerisms, and more and more recently through, genital mutilation.
Interesting. Why do they feel the need to mutilate themselves simply because they prefer the dress, speech, and mannerisms of the other sex? What do their reproductive organs have to do with anything?
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 7:06 am
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:06 am to Jack Bauers HnK
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A male can pretend and dress up as a female all he wants, doesn’t make him any less male than God made him.
That's right, it makes him feminine (gender), not female (sex) - at least in our current culture. In other cultures, a man may wear a 'dress', and not be feminine at all.
Gender is cultural, sex is biological.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:15 am to Jake_LaMotta
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Science dictates chromosomes not god
You need to write this up in an email and send it to the Vatican. I'd be willing to bet they've never heard this paradigm-shattering perspective. Damn dude, you may even get them to issue a retraction.
Who is science? What is science? How does science "dictate?" Does it have a will? Does it design things? How so? Where did science come from? How did science create chromosomes?
If you attempt to answer these questions honestly, I think you'll start to find that "science" seems eerily like "God."
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 7:17 am
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:26 am to Jake_LaMotta
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Science dictates chromosomes not god.
Science dictated that there are two genders/sexes, male and female, based upon what naturally occurs. Science dictated that you are born one or the other and there isn't another possible result. Libs dictate nonsense and throw it to their sheeple as something to get behind to rally against conservatives and truly moderate people. The lib masters don't care about the topic, they just want something to keep their sheeple together and against those that make America great and unique from the rest of the world.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:33 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Gender is cultural, sex is biological.
They should stop co-opting sex language and just act how they want to act. A man pretending to be a woman is not actually a woman and the rest of sane society shouldn’t be forced to pretend otherwise.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:35 am to Crimson Wraith
Physical sex is binary, with rare exception related to genetic or developmental anomalies/defects. This has been observed for millennia and confirmed thru genetics over the last hundred years or so.
Gender roles are decidedly NOT binary, and this has been confirmed by anthropological studies of hundreds of cultures throughout human history and prehistory.
I have never understood why so many people continue to insist that the concepts of sex and gender MUST be coextensive in all cases, simply because they HAVE historically been basically coextensive in OUR Western culture for many years.
Gender roles are decidedly NOT binary, and this has been confirmed by anthropological studies of hundreds of cultures throughout human history and prehistory.
I have never understood why so many people continue to insist that the concepts of sex and gender MUST be coextensive in all cases, simply because they HAVE historically been basically coextensive in OUR Western culture for many years.
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 7:47 am
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:41 am to flyAU
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There really are genetic anomalies, but that is an EXTREMELY rare situation
Truth
I'm astonished by most of this but I dngaf.
I'm sure it's offensive for fundamentalists who actually believe in Big Creator Guy mythology.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:43 am to UGATiger26
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You need to write this up in an email and send it to the Vatican. I'd be willing to bet they've never heard this paradigm-shattering perspective. Damn dude, you may even get them to issue a retraction. Who is science? What is science? How does science "dictate?" Does it have a will? Does it design things? How so? Where did science come from? How did science create chromosomes? If you attempt to answer these questions honestly, I think you'll start to find that "science" seems eerily like "God."
I believe that God is the creator. I also know that the Vatican has been on the wrong end of history many times. They don’t want to hear about science if it contradicts their power.
Historically speaking, the church has had a fear of science because it threatened their authority. The Inquisition locked up Galileo for heresy because he published papers stating that the earth was NOT the center of the universe, and that the planets revolves around the sun. A Heliocentric (sun centered universe).
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:46 am to Crimson Wraith
Before you get too excited about this as a traditionalist, take a look at this alternative view.
Vatican releases new doc on ‘gender theory’ in schools, urges ‘path of dialogue’
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"Adopting an approach to gender theory that is “based on the path of dialogue,” the Congregation says the document is “intended for the educational community involved in Catholic schools, and for all who, animated by the Christian vision of life, work in other types of schools.”...It first offers a historical overview of the development of gender theory, highlighting “points of agreement” as well as a “critque” of the ideology. It then offers some “considerations on the issue based on the light of reason.”
Those of you who are careful readers can spot the weasel words.
Vatican releases new doc on ‘gender theory’ in schools, urges ‘path of dialogue’
LINK
"Adopting an approach to gender theory that is “based on the path of dialogue,” the Congregation says the document is “intended for the educational community involved in Catholic schools, and for all who, animated by the Christian vision of life, work in other types of schools.”...It first offers a historical overview of the development of gender theory, highlighting “points of agreement” as well as a “critque” of the ideology. It then offers some “considerations on the issue based on the light of reason.”
Those of you who are careful readers can spot the weasel words.
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 7:51 am
Posted on 6/12/19 at 7:51 am to Crimson Wraith
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God
Prove it
Posted on 6/12/19 at 8:49 am to cokebottleag
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Masculine and feminine are traits referring to your manner or appearance
Yes, in the context of culture. It's subjective.
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they don’t change day to day
It certainly can.
back in the day, we used to refer to men who wore feminine clothing as, "transvestites". But a man could wear a dress one day, and be feminine, and wear what we would generally agree to be masculine clothing the next day, and be masculine.
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being and a feminine man does not make me a woman
Certainly not. If I were a woman, I would be offended that some guy thinking that mutilating his genitalia somehow makes him a woman.
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It’s a mental illness.
It does seem to be linked to a person not being able to accept themselves within the culture that they live - conversely, it's also linked to the culture not accepting that individual for however the hell they want to appear and act.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 8:53 am to UGATiger26
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You're certainly not "fighting through the gobbledlygook." You've accepted the gobbledlygook hook, line, and sinker, and now you're spouting the talking points like this is all scientific consensus.
Okay, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about - or more accurately, you seem to have no idea what I'm talking about. I suspect it's because you have some prejudiced view of my political position, and you're anticipating positions that I do not hold.
Instead of accusing me of something, try this:
YOU define what gender and sex are. I suspect you'll have the same definitions as I, and that, in fact, we are more in agreement than disagreement. First, you have to drop your preconceived notions of what you think I believe.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 8:58 am to DyeHardDylan
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I don’t care if you’re a man that wants to be a woman, a woman that wants to be a man, or a cat that wants to be a dog. As long as the government isn’t covering your surgeries or providing you with special protections, I have no problem with it at all.
Agreed, but, Libs and crazies don't stop there. They want to start hormone therapy and gender reassignment on children. We should all care about this crazy agenda being pushed on innocent children.
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