re: Gabbard Confirms US Funded Bio-labs in Ukraine

None of this was hidden. These are BSL-2 labs, not BSL-4 labs.

Here is what Geraghty reported in March 2022 at NR:

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As noted Wednesday, a “biological-research facility” is not the same as a biological-weapons-research facility, but a lot of people, inside and outside of the Russian government, would like you to see the two terms as interchangeable. But what’s going on in Ukrainian biological-research facilities is not mysterious or shrouded in secrecy....

The Ukrainian State Emergency Service is a civil-defense agency that conducts epidemiological surveillance and investigations of infectious disease outbreaks, monitors food and water supplies, and identifies environmental hazards. “This agency runs 30 laboratories at regional SES centers that perform initial investigations of disease outbreaks.” Ukraine has naturally occurring anthrax, listeriosis, tularemia, brucellosis, cholera, rabies, and rickettsiosis. In 2017, the country suffered a noticeably severe tuberculosis outbreak.

In addition, Ukraine has more than 31 universities with biological laboratories; it is likely that all of them have at least a few samples of potentially dangerous and contagious pathogens.

In March 4, Alla Mironenko, a virologist and head of the Influenza Laboratory at the Ministry of Health in Kyiv, told the publication The Scientist that her “biggest concern for the lab is that a power outage could compromise the building’s deep freezers that store reagents, samples — careers’ worth of work. ‘If the power goes out, that will ruin everything.’”

As for the notion that there’s something sinister about U.S. funding or cooperation for these laboratories, in 2005, the U.S. government realized it was not a good idea to have all kinds of viruses and bacteria sitting on refrigerated shelves of Ukrainian research facilities with minimal security. The U.S. and Ukraine agreed to expand the Nunn-Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction program to fund security improvements for pathogens stored at biological research and health facilities in Ukraine — specifically mentioning the Scientific Research Institute of Epidemiology and Hygiene in Lviv, the Ukrainian Scientific Research Anti-Plague Institute in Odessa, and the Central Sanitary Epidemiological Station in Kyiv. The U.S. provided $15 million.

It is not the least bit surprising that the U.S. is worried about those labs, nor that the World Health Organization advised Ukraine to destroy high-threat pathogens housed in the country’s public-health laboratories to prevent “any potential spills” that would spread disease among the population. Yes, the Russians could attempt to use the dangerous pathogens in some sort of “false flag” terrorist attack. But it’s even more likely that these Russian troops — poorly trained, poorly briefed, hungry, and dumb enough to fire shells at a nuclear plant — could well accidentally cause an outbreak of a contagious disease.

All of this information is on the Internet and in English. People can sit around and speculate that Nuland’s comment accidentally revealed a joint U.S.–Ukrainian secret biological-weapons program, echoing the nonsensical claims of a Russian government that also contends it did not attack Ukraine and that the Ukrainian army is shelling its own cities to make Russia look bad.

Or people can look at what is already known and disclosed about these labs and draw conclusions accordingly.

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Here is the rest of the article. Geraghty does his homework. He and Byron York at WE are probably two of the best political reporters on the conservative side.

National Review website.

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None of this was hidden. These are BSL-2 labs, not BSL-4 labs.

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Correct. That's the conflation.

A. Very few, if any, people denied there were biological labs in Ukraine.

B. People said the crazy allegations about the labs (I posted 2) were the conspiracy theories.

Now dishonest people like OP are trying to spike the football and claim the CTs were proven true by only referencing A, not B. Proving B would be proving the conspiracy theory, and when pressed, OP claimed ignorance of understanding what the CTs were in real time.

It's like the reverse use of the "kernel of truth" for conspiracy theories.

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That has been proven too, moron. But let's try to stick to the topic at hand.

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These f@gs continue to say "no proof," even after these things are proven. You can't win with them. They'll refuse to accept anything they don't want to believe.

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This was never a conspiracy. Domestic companies like Black & Veatch engineered and built them. The documents are all public.

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Yes. We knew they existed and it was confirmed... The TDS and Ukraine bro nerds who were claiming they didn't exist and claiming they did was "conspiracy theory," did not... because MSNBC and CNN told them they didn't exist.

Remind us, why did Russia invade Ukraine?

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Remind us, why did Russia invade Ukraine?

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Which time?

In 2014 it was to seize Crimea to ensure they kept Sevastopol Naval Base. The would be quite fricked without that.

It's not entirely clear why in 2022. But given the prior playbook, Putin has a thing for reclaiming as much of the former USSR as he can. Also it was clear after 2014 that we wouldn't get directly involved, and he calculated correctly. He just miscalculated on how hard it would be to take Kyiv. So he's in Afghanistan redux and destroying their demographic future because he can't "lose" (the militant oligarchs may oust him if he fails).

Evidence, history, and logic lead to those analyses, if that's what you're asking.

Putin has done the same "trying to save Russian-speaking people" routine so many times I'm shocked people keep falling for it.

It's like the feigned retreat of the horse archers.

This was never a conspiracy theory.

This was a known fact. The USSR had these biolabs. Because the USSR had a ton of land and some of that was Ukranian land, some of those biolabs were there. When it all collapsed they became Ukranian biolabs, just like the airport they built in Riga Latvia become no longer the Riga USSR airport but the Riga Latvia airport.

I am confused as to what scandal or secret has been revealed here. To me it seems like "Tulsi reveals New Orleans phone area code is 504"

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Oh he cares greatly. So much so that he claims to win an argument when he’s getting his arse handed to him. Which is daily

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That's not what he said

And "gain of function" research wasn't even the CT.

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What he said was that this wasn't considered conspiracy theory and thereby implying that what Gabbard said was common knowledge. Well, she says that the gain of function research has directly led to global health crises. I'm glad that you dumb fricks have now confirm what you denied back when this shite was first being talked about. Thanks again.

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You already admitted earlier ITT you are ignorant to what the CTs were. You should sit this one out after that.

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And you should shut the frick up, you dishonest hack.