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re: Fulton County admits they did not follow the rules.

Posted on 12/23/25 at 9:33 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/23/25 at 9:33 am to
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shite in = shite out




You're now talking about something completely unrelated to the issue with the 315k and you still haven't established anything related to these votes and the chain of custody.

You just keep trying to pivot to the REAL discussion where you can talk about chain of custody and all the other issues with THOSE votes.

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They weren’t zeroed out. You can count and recount the ballots to infinity with the same results,

No. You cannot.

If there were 1k votes on the rolls prior to voting, then there would be 1k more votes AFTER hand counting.

I explained this on page 8 already

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Column A is a vote total that has concerns because they may not have started counting the votes at 0.

Column B is a total of all the other measures in place to account for voting totals in the election.

If Column A equals Column B, then the concerns over Column A's credibility should logically be dismissed.


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Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/23/25 at 9:33 am to
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They are invalid per the law.


Reference the statute (not regulation or agency rule) for me stating this
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/23/25 at 9:34 am to
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Precisely.




I am not shocked that you don't understand what's actually going on in this story
Posted by Placekicker
Florida
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Posted on 12/23/25 at 9:36 am to
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I am not shocked that you don't understand what's actually going on in this story


Posted by G2160
houston
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Posted on 12/23/25 at 9:36 am to
It’s possible to do a lot. Our voting systems are intentionally insecure. There is one party who fights to keep it this way.
Posted by I20goon
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Posted on 12/23/25 at 9:37 am to
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It hasn't even been determined that this issue would invalidate the votes (hence "could" being used in my initial post)

These were valid, legal votes but-for this error. I think y'all are trying to spin them into invalid, fraudulent votes.
how do you know they are valid?

If they aren't certified as per procedure established by law then they are in question.

You are making the same assumption (i.e. spin) that you are accusing others of... just on the polar opposite direction.

Posted by Placekicker
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Posted on 12/23/25 at 9:40 am to
5 Years Too Late, Fulton County Proves Trump’s Call To Raffensperger Right

Fulton County, Georgia, recently made an admission that should have commanded national attention. During a hearing before the Georgia State Election Board, county officials acknowledged that approximately 315,000 early ballots cast in the 2020 presidential election were unlawfully certified yet were nonetheless included in Georgia’s final, official results, in a race Joe Biden was officially declared to have won by just 11,779 votes.

The admission arose from a challenge filed by David Cross, an election integrity activist, who alleged that Fulton County violated Georgia election law in its handling of early voting. Under state statute, each ballot scanner is required to produce tabulation tapes at the close of voting, and poll workers must sign those tapes to certify the reported totals. These signed tapes are not merely an administrative safeguard. They are central to determining whether the vote count itself is legitimate.

The tapes certify that each machine began the day at zero, that no residual data from prior elections or test runs remained on the memory cards, and that the final totals were fixed the moment voting closed. Without signed tabulation tapes, there is no verifiable starting point and no verifiable endpoint. In legal terms, there is no verified election result. Yet in Fulton County, hundreds of thousands of early votes that were never lawfully certified were still included in the official totals.

Once Fulton County transmitted its early voting totals to the state, the responsibility shifted to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger. He had a duty to ensure the results were properly certified and above board. Yet his office accepted Fulton County’s numbers on trust and included them in Georgia’s official results without verifying that the required procedures had been followed. This is especially important in light of the events that followed the 2020 election, particularly President Trump’s challenge to Raffensperger.

On Jan. 2, 2021, Trump called Raffensperger to discuss the irregularities in Fulton County, mentioning the county no fewer than 14 times during the call and stating flatly that it was “totally corrupt.” Trump cited estimates of “250 to 300,000 ballots” that had been “dropped mysteriously into the rolls,” repeatedly noting that Fulton County had never been “checked.” In light of what has now been formally admitted, those claims read less like hyperbole and more like an uncannily accurate description of what actually occurred.

Rather than taking those concerns seriously as questions of whether the law had actually been followed, Raffensperger dismissed them outright, insisting that “we do have an accurate election.” What he did not disclose was that his chief of staff, Jordan Fuchs, was secretly recording the conversation in violation of the law, as The Federalist’s Mollie Hemingway reported last year. Immediately after the call, Fuchs leaked the tape to The Washington Post, where, the very next day, it was selectively framed to create the now-infamous narrative that Trump had pressured Raffensperger to “find 11,780 votes.”

That framing inverted the substance of the exchange. Trump’s point was not that votes should be manufactured but that since he was asserting large-scale illegality, identifying 11,780 unlawful votes, the margin of Biden’s supposed win, should have been straightforward. Raffensperger’s leaked phone call, however, proved politically effective. Within days, following the events of Jan. 6, the selectively edited conversation became a central exhibit in the broader effort to portray Trump as having attempted to criminally overturn the election, rather than as challenging what was in fact an election that had been illegally certified.



Trump was right. He’s always right.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/23/25 at 9:42 am to
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how do you know they are valid?


There were at least 3 recounts reconciling the numbers

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If they aren't certified as per procedure established by law then they are in question.

Yeah and there are safeguard processes in place to adjudicate issues post-election. Those were all used.

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You are making the same assumption (i.e. spin) that you are accusing others of..

No. I'm not. You have to add multiple layers to the conspiracy to get around the safeguard procedures post-election, and ignore how this effort is net-negative for DEMs, to make the opposing argument work.
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Posted on 12/23/25 at 9:43 am to
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Posted by Placekicker
Florida
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Posted on 12/23/25 at 9:44 am to

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No. I'm not. You have to add multiple layers to the conspiracy to get around the safeguard procedures post-election, and ignore how this effort is net-negative for DEMs, to make the opposing argument work.



You mean, like these safeguards???

Once Fulton County transmitted its early voting totals to the state, the responsibility shifted to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger. He had a duty to ensure the results were properly certified and above board. Yet his office accepted Fulton County’s numbers on trust and included them in Georgia’s official results without verifying that the required procedures had been followed. This is especially important in light of the events that followed the 2020 election, particularly President Trump’s challenge to Raffensperger
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/23/25 at 9:44 am to
I'm exceptionally good at trivia.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/23/25 at 9:45 am to
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You mean, like these safeguards???



They did multiple recounts post-election.

The Federalist makes a shitty argument that relies on people being ignorant both of the issue in play, the potential consequents, and the post-election safeguard procedures that were done multiple times.
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 12/23/25 at 9:46 am to
Pretty weak.
"No intent...to break the law".
Posted by G2160
houston
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Posted on 12/23/25 at 9:51 am to
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You mean, like these safeguards???


The safeguard in this case was an independent investigator who spent his own time and money…not the election system itself.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/23/25 at 9:53 am to
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"No intent...to break the law".

That's not the argument going on.

And "breaking the law" may be a bit histrionic.

It hasn't even been established that this would have invalidated the votes. That's a presupposition by those who wished that would have happened, at this point, with no evidence.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/23/25 at 9:53 am to
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The safeguard in this case was an independent investigator who spent his own time and money…not the election system itself.


And he wasted his time outside of getting a reputation within the MAGA echo chamber.
Posted by Placekicker
Florida
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Posted on 12/23/25 at 9:55 am to
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The Federalist makes a shitty argument that relies on people being ignorant both of the issue in play, the potential consequents, and the post-election safeguard procedures that were done multiple times.



“Yet his office accepted Fulton County’s numbers on trust and included them in Georgia’s official results without verifying that the required procedures had been followed”


You keep saying the same stupid thing. Over and over. Kinda like counting the same bad ballots over and over.

Counting the same ballots over and over doesn’t make it correct. If ballots are added illegally in the beginning, and are always counted, the count will always be the same.
Posted by loogaroo
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Posted on 12/23/25 at 9:56 am to
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If there were 1k votes on the rolls prior to voting, then there would be 1k more votes AFTER hand counting.


Now you're getting it.

Nothing was stopping them from supplementing a discrepancy in numbers.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/23/25 at 9:59 am to
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Now you're getting it.

Nothing was stopping them from supplementing a discrepancy in numbers.



The hand counts after stopped that.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/23/25 at 10:00 am to
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Kinda like counting the same bad ballots over and over.


If the machines were not at 0, it would not be this.

If there had been more votes on those machines, the hand counts would have shown this issue.


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Counting the same ballots over and over doesn’t make it correct. I

Again, counting those ballots shows the alignment in the machine totals and actual ballots.

If the machines were at 0, the hand counts would have shown a number less than the machines.
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