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re: Fully vaxxed, not jabbed. More than 6X more likely to get autism.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:18 pm to SallysHuman
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:18 pm to SallysHuman
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So now you're back to one size fits all.. because of a paradox.
You both don't understand nuance and don't seem to understand that people have already studied this.
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Interesting.. I wonder why HepB got dropped from healthy, low risk baby schedules?
Because Hep B has been RFK's raison d'etre for well over a decade. Again, the evidence it actually causes harm is nonexistent.
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Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:18 pm to crazy4lsu
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Yeah I'm glad you finally agree.
If the first time was enough for us to see
Yet, you haven't explained in any way what your case is. It's as if you took that dick sandwich the government fed you all the way down to the base.
Even when Sally had you cornered you whined, "that's not how it works! Nuh uhhhhh"
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:19 pm to crazy4lsu
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Again, the evidence it actually causes harm is nonexistent.
I believe there was a vote on this... and it wasn't RFKjr vs the world.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:20 pm to crazy4lsu
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We have to go for the one size fits all approach because that is the easiest way of controlling externalities. There is even a name for this in epidemiology. It is called the 'prevention paradox.' Secondly, there is absolutely no evidence that the vaccine schedule as it is now causes any harm. There are already contraindications to vaccine administration. There has been no evidence that we should take the 'volume argument' seriously. Like I said, it is not evidence-based. The stated contraindications is tailoring enough. The volume of shots isn't going to overwhelm children. The amount of pathogens a child gets just from interacting with the world is almost infinite. Our immune system accounts for this by virtue of MHC class I and II loci having nearly infinite combinations. Again, the argument about volume is so stupid on its face I can't believe anyone believes it.
Is there ever a point where it's too many? Hypothetically, what if there are 250 childhood vaccines that have been developed to address issues/potential issues, big and small - is there a point where it's gotten ridiculous, if not unhealthy?
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:21 pm to Errerrerrwere
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Even when Sally had you cornered you whined, "that's not how it works! Nuh uhhhhh"
Yeah, the argument about volume is exceedingly stupid and difficult to rebut because of its stupidity. If the reference to MHC molecules and polymorphic loci allowing for almost endless antibody combinations doesn't move you, then tell me what will.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:27 pm to Errerrerrwere
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And, again, the only reason why I am here is to shame, embarrass and humiliate you and your profession for losing public trust.
Like I said. He just has some hatred of doctors for whatever reason. I mean you literally just admitted so!
Crazy, if you want him to disappear from a thread, post an article and discuss its content and….then he gone!
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:29 pm to crazy4lsu
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Yeah, the argument about volume is exceedingly stupid and difficult to rebut because of its stupidity.
Many medical professionals disagree with this statement.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:34 pm to David_DJS
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Is there ever a point where it's too many? Hypothetically, what if there are 250 childhood vaccines that have been developed to address issues/potential issues, big and small - is there a point where it's gotten ridiculous, if not unhealthy?
The cost/benefit has to include the types of pathogens. But from a purely immunologic, can the body handle this many vaccines, no. The amount of pyogenic material the body encounters on a daily basis is exceedingly large. There are several pathogens which are part of your normal flora and only become disease-vectors if they are in the wrong place. There are some fungi which are likely in everyone's body. The truth is that humans are holobionts, discrete ecological units unto themselves. The human body is very robust against infectious disease save for a few pathogens, which is where a vaccination program can augment. I don't suspect there are 250 infectious diseases left which have the necessary CFR, transmission rate, pathogenicity and vectors to justify that many vaccines, but regardless, a regular human child deals with a massive volume of pathogens daily that it beggars belief that volume of vaccinations alone is enough to suggest they could be 'unhealthy.'
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:36 pm to SallysHuman
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Many medical professionals disagree with this statement.
Which again, doesn't mean anything.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:40 pm to SallysHuman
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I believe there was a vote on this... and it wasn't RFKjr vs the world.
Again, there is no evidence that Hep B causes any harm. Your retort isn't relevant to my point.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:40 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Crazy, if you want him to disappear from a thread, post an article and discuss its content and….then he gone!
Ha. I'm fine with discussing things even with him. He doesn't appear to be a very curious person though.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:42 pm to crazy4lsu
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Many medical professionals disagree with this statement.quote:
Which again, doesn't mean anything.
Why doesn't it? Do you only agree with medical professionals that back your chosen beliefs?
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:43 pm to SallysHuman
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Why doesn't it? Do you only agree with medical professionals that back your chosen beliefs?
Because their argument is not based on evidence. Or rather, the standards of evidence we use to determine care are absent from these particular critiques. The issue here is I am being consistent. They aren't. Why are you giving them a pass?
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:44 pm to crazy4lsu
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Again, there is no evidence that Hep B causes any harm. Your retort isn't relevant to my point.
Other highly vaccinated countries do not vaccinate neonates for hepB.
Are they stupid?
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:46 pm to crazy4lsu
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The issue here is I am being consistent. They aren't. Why are you giving them a pass?
I feel there is room for varying opinions in the medical community on all sorts of treatments and preventatives. Seeing as how "science" changes, it'd be alarming if ALL of you were lemmings.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:46 pm to crazy4lsu
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I don't suspect there are 250 infectious diseases left which have the necessary CFR, transmission rate, pathogenicity and vectors to justify that many vaccines, but regardless, a regular human child deals with a massive volume of pathogens daily that it beggars belief that volume of vaccinations alone is enough to suggest they could be 'unhealthy.'
The other thing that would be helpful for worried and skeptical people who are at risk for being taken advantage of by anti-vaccine propagandists is how many fewer total antigens kids are exposed to in vaccines compared to when we were all kids (I started getting vaccinated in the 70's). There are way more shots, but less risk.
This post was edited on 12/12/25 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:47 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Like I said. He just has some hatred of doctors for whatever reason. I mean you literally just admitted so!
The doctor's that jabbed that death shot into people's arms did a lot of harm, correct?
I know, actual doctors irl not just getting their grind on, that threw that shite in the trash when Oschner forced them to tiles it.
So, yeah man. You reap what you sow.
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Crazy, if you want him to disappear from a thread, post an article and discuss its content and….then he gone!
Nah. I'm still waiting for you to tell the class now what kind of doctor you are. Shouldn't be too hard. It's been a week.
But there goes your narrative about knowing everything about vaccines once people see how absurd it is.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:49 pm to TigerDoc
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The other thing that would be helpful for worried and skeptical people who are at risk for being taken advantage of by anti-vaccine propagandists is how many fewer total antigens kids are exposed to in vaccines compared to when we were all kids (I started getting vaccinated in the 70's). There are way more shots, but less risk.
THIS is the kind of information that would be very useful in a public forum discussion. This is something I didn't know and I bet a LOT of people don't.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:50 pm to SallysHuman
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Are they stupid?
No, they centralized health authorities with more comprehensive testing, better health records, universal health insurance that allows for near-universal pre-natal care, etc.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 2:53 pm to TigerDoc
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No, they centralized health authorities with more comprehensive testing, better health records, universal health insurance that allows for near-universal pre-natal care, etc.
Are there pregnant women denied prenatal care in our country?
I do like where you're going with better record keeping and comprehensive testing. There obviously are other options than carpet bombing neonates with a hepB vaccine.
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