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re: Fully vaxxed, not jabbed. More than 6X more likely to get autism.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 4:23 pm to TigerDoc
Posted on 12/12/25 at 4:23 pm to TigerDoc
I mean, yeah that is accurate. Also, I was shitposting on this forum for years before I became a physician. That’s what I still want to do. Unfortunately the internet has become a much more sensitive place than it once was.
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Posted on 12/12/25 at 4:27 pm to crazy4lsu
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I don't suspect there are 250 infectious diseases left which have the necessary CFR, transmission rate, pathogenicity and vectors to justify that many vaccines, but regardless, a regular human child deals with a massive volume of pathogens daily that it beggars belief that volume of vaccinations alone is enough to suggest they could be 'unhealthy.'
My question is more about what's necessary and what's not. I'm a fan of the human body's ability to right itself and my baseline is "only if it's a life/death matter" - which Covid wasn't (as an example). I'm a vaccine skeptic, not an anti-vaxxer.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 4:35 pm to David_DJS
It depends on what "necessary" means. Standard medical ethics thinking about this involves communication benefits and risks for the patient, benefits/risks to others, for public health/policy people/researchers, benefits/risks in populations.
This is why the standard response is "talk to your doctor" - because your particular risk/benefit preferences likely differ from others and will differ based on your health, age, location, etc.
This is why the standard response is "talk to your doctor" - because your particular risk/benefit preferences likely differ from others and will differ based on your health, age, location, etc.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 4:43 pm to TigerDoc
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This is why the standard response is "talk to your doctor"
How often would you have an MD suggesting a patient not take a vaccine? They seem to be little pharma robots. Perhaps it's risk aversion - they're better off vaccinating everybody for everything than suggesting someone doesn't need one that in the end needed it.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 4:45 pm to David_DJS
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My question is more about what's necessary and what's not.
Well that is a harder question. Let’s say for example that Epstein-Barr virus gets a vaccine. By all accounts, it is a relatively mild infection. Yet the list of diseases associated with EBV is quite long and we are discovering more and more about the particular associations with the virus and several lifelong and serious illnesses. Does that satisfy the ‘necessary’ criteria? Similarly, the choice we have to make is whether we are willing to run the risk of an infant getting a possibly preventable disease which can have life long consequences. From my viewpoint, it seems much easier to give a vaccine rather than see a person at the end of their life because hepatitis b infection caused hepatocellular carcinoma. What I mean here is that we are soon moving into the category of illnesses which are survivable but have the potential for serious sequelae and my fear is that we will make the wrong choice for the wrong reasons.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 4:47 pm to David_DJS
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How often would you have an MD suggesting a patient not take a vaccine?
Certain conditions preclude administration.
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Perhaps it's risk aversion - they're better off vaccinating everybody for everything than suggesting someone doesn't need one that in the end needed it.
How do you know you don’t need it?
Posted on 12/12/25 at 5:07 pm to Crimson Wraith
Yes, a "study" by hacks from a acknowledged anti-vax journal that is a joke in the medical community constitutes a sea change in vaccination medicine.
You people will believe anything you read online.
You people will believe anything you read online.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 5:10 pm to crazy4lsu
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How do you know you don’t need it?
Well, let's think about this and let's go back to our Covid experiences.
I was told I needed it as a 60 yo at the time.
I had no fear of Covid, knew I'd handle it just fine when I got it.
I'm still typing.
I was right.
The medical community was wrong.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 5:14 pm to crazy4lsu
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How do you know you don’t need it?
You are fricking evil, dude. Dangerous game you are playing. How about quit pimping your vaccine and let someone and their doctor make that decision?
You people are the most dangerous among us. I'd be more safe at a trans/ queer heavy metal fury concert than with you.
Yet, you people always among us.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 5:21 pm to David_DJS
Okay but let's think more broadly. How do we categorize the risk of potential sequalae for children for vaccinations of something like hepatitis b, with estimates ranging from 250 million chronic carriers to 2 billion humans being infected, in a place like America, where generally hepatitis b is generally limited? What is the point at which we say, hey that kid doesn't need that to vaccinating that child?
Again, my concern is not the vaccines or the illness but rather the reasoning. If we choose to not include hepatitis b among the childhood vaccinations, fine, but that the reasoning should not include references for things which have little evidentiary basis. For me that would include a reference to the volume of vaccines, as again there is no evidence that the volume of vaccinations has any bearing on anything.
Again, my concern is not the vaccines or the illness but rather the reasoning. If we choose to not include hepatitis b among the childhood vaccinations, fine, but that the reasoning should not include references for things which have little evidentiary basis. For me that would include a reference to the volume of vaccines, as again there is no evidence that the volume of vaccinations has any bearing on anything.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 5:21 pm to Errerrerrwere
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I'd be more safe at a trans/ queer heavy metal fury concert than with you.
ahaha. I love how this is your go to example. My god you are an incredible pussy.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 5:22 pm to crazy4lsu
As much as that poster is a moron hes right
Posted on 12/12/25 at 5:23 pm to SDVTiger
You would be scared at the furry convention too? Damn man, that's gay as hell.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 5:25 pm to crazy4lsu
I'm not a vile human being.
I don't know. Pretty healthy person, looked at the statistics, saw it was nothing, got the virus, beat it, developed natural immunity, feel fine now.
5 years later
Your on a negative feedback loop you can't get off of
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What makes you think you don't need it?
I don't know. Pretty healthy person, looked at the statistics, saw it was nothing, got the virus, beat it, developed natural immunity, feel fine now.
5 years later
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Yeah but why do you think you don't need it?
Your on a negative feedback loop you can't get off of
Posted on 12/12/25 at 5:26 pm to Errerrerrwere
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I don't know. Pretty healthy person, looked at the statistics, saw it was nothing, got the virus, beat it, developed natural immunity, feel fine now.
Damn, talk about missing the forest for the trees. Dear god little lady.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 5:31 pm to crazy4lsu
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Damn, talk about missing the forest for the trees. Dear god little lady.
I thought you were going to talk to a whole bunch of your friends you told us about? They dodging your calls?
Posted on 12/12/25 at 5:32 pm to Errerrerrwere
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I thought you were going to talk to a whole bunch of your friends you told us about? They dodging your calls?
What in the living frick are you talking about? I think you have me confused with someone else.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 5:44 pm to crazy4lsu
Is that your way of deflecting from being a lunatic?
Posted on 12/12/25 at 5:47 pm to SDVTiger
Lol. Is that your way of not reading the words he said? Look cuck, I am going to win. You've been melting for five years now and nothing has changed. There is nothing you can do.
Posted on 12/12/25 at 5:47 pm to crazy4lsu
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Look cuck, I am going to win.
Win what?
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