re: Friend just dies from the vaccine

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Your on a thread where someone died running your mouth like a moron. Take a break chief.

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Someone made a quite unsubstantiated claim that the death was related to a vaccine which has, to date, claimed zero lives with no evidence.

What's your favorite flavor of glue?

Funny how the CDC never suggested Vitamin D, B and magnesium. But they required masks which they later admitted don't work.

They never recommend pepcid ac, which you can get for three bucks in generic form at walmart. Or melatonin for five bucks.

Never mentioned it. Yet every big shot, including the President of the United States were given these supplements and otc drugs immediately after diagnosis.

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But what if we don't see COVID as a risk?

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Then your perception of risk is wrong. Covid isn't especially risky for those under about age 40 or so. You have somewhere between a 1 in 10,000 and a 1 in 50,000 chance of dying if you're between 18 and 40 depending on what numbers you use (the most conservative being the CDC and the most generous being the Stanford studies).

The vaccines have an exponentially lower amount of risk (roughly 1 in a million for clotting, and that's not even proven) with the benefit of reducing Covid infection entirely by 90 - 95% and severe Covid pretty much at 100%.

The risk analysis is pretty straightforward: if you think the vaccine is more risky than actually getting Covid, even as a healthy 30-something (which I am), then you're a goddmamn idiot.

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I've had the virus. Had a head cold for a couple of days and bad headache for a few hours. Before I got the virus, it didn't concern me. Now that I've had it - why does it matter how safe the vaccine is, I don't need it.

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I had it as well. Still doesn't preclude me from getting the vaccine.

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All that said, let me ask you - does it not bother you how much outright lying there's been surrounding this whole shitshow? I mean they're calling some poor a-hole putting a bullet in his own brain a "COVID death" because he tested positive for the virus 30 days ago, though never exhibited symptoms. They've done this/similar things tens of thousands of times. Why?

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Statistically, the number of people who "died with Covid" rather than "from Covid" could be 1/10th of what it actually was, and the vaccine would still be safer and would provide a significant degree of protection against future disease. Do people not understand basic fricking math?

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And shouldn't that be the context for everything else the ridiculously political medical industrial complex says/suggests?

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Good Lord, I hope you don't have to take your Lipitor or have your kids vaxxed for school or go in for knee reconstruction soon.

Did the autopsy list the cause of death as the COVID vaccine?

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Then your perception of risk is wrong. Covid isn't especially risky for those under about age 40 or so. You have somewhere between a 1 in 10,000 and a 1 in 50,000 chance of dying if you're between 18 and 40 depending on what numbers you use (the most conservative being the CDC and the most generous being the Stanford studies).

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Oh, so you know better than me where I find risk and don't?

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The vaccines have an exponentially lower amount of risk (roughly 1 in a million for clotting, and that's not even proven) with the benefit of reducing Covid infection entirely by 90 - 95% and severe Covid pretty much at 100%

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I don't need you to explain probabilities to me.

You simply don't understand a person that would rather suffer from a bad head cold for a few days than take a vaccine. And I'm not anti-vaxx. I'm just not as afraid of COVID as you are.

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tatistically, the number of people who "died with Covid" rather than "from Covid" could be 1/100th of what it actually was, and the vaccine would still be safer and would provide a significant degree of protection against future disease. Do people not understand basic fricking math?

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It's not math that's not understood in this exchange.

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Good Lord, I hope you don't have to take your Lipitor or have your kids vaxxed for school or go in for knee reconstruction soon.

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Again, you moronically assume things you cannot possibly know. My kids are fully vaccinated and I've had four knee surgeries (from college basketball). I have no problem with "medicine" - but what we've seen over the last twelve months that has you so f'n frightened of this virus - that ain't medicine.

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The wife took the second dose two days ago, arm pain is not going away, possibley getting worse, starting to get concerned.

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I have only had the first dose but I had a similar reaction. My arm was much more painful on days 2 and 3 which concerned me. After a few more days, it was noticeably better. If it is still getting worse after a couple more days then something may be wrong but I am sure she is fine.

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I'm just not as afraid of COVID as you are.

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But exponentially more afraid of a couple needle pricks to prevent it.

This “you’re afraid of this and afraid of that” bullshite rhetoric is so spent. And by smooth-brains who can’t grasp sight of the world through a lens larger than their own little bubble of ignorance and entitlement.

Downvote if you agree!

A lot of people didn’t die from covid either. These shots though. It’s almost like it’s self inflicting.

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Oh, so you know better than me where I find risk and don't?

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Judging by your responses so far, yea, I am pretty sure I have better grasp of risk than you do.

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I don't need you to explain probabilities to me.

You simply don't understand a person that would rather suffer from a bad head cold for a few days than take a vaccine. And I'm not anti-vaxx. I'm just not as afraid of COVID as you are.

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You apparently do need someone to explain it to you based on your anecdotal reasoning. I was in combat before and was never shot in my torso. Doesn't mean that I'm going to not wear my Kevlar next time I am in a situation like that.

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It's not math that's not understood in this exchange.

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Apparently it is, because you have no logical reason otherwise. You're just being an emotion-based woman about the vaccine.

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Good Lord, I hope you don't have to take your Lipitor or have your kids vaxxed for school or go in for knee reconstruction soon.

Again, you moronically assume things you cannot possibly know. My kids are fully vaccinated and I've had four knee surgeries (from college basketball). I have no problem with "medicine" - but what we've seen over the last twelve months that has you so f'n frightened of this virus - that ain't medicine.

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See above. What in the everloving frick has you so scared about this scary piece of mRNA?

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The moron doesn't live in reality. If you are under 40 and have had Covid (barely have me a headache), the added risk of the vaccine makes no sense right now. Maybe later when they are more refined. He is living in some dumb high calculation world and not in reality. He has problems.

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Are you actually going to present a logical argument or continue to get crucified by people who are smarter than you are?