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re: Former intel officer confirms to CNN that US IC was using Brits to get around US law
Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:45 am to Doc Fenton
Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:45 am to Doc Fenton
I read through parts of that article. It is all guilt by association stuff. Person X did a business deal with Person Y. However, person Y once upon a time crossed paths with Person Z who is a shady Russian crime figure. Therefore, this makes Person X two steps removed from Person Z. And since Person X is a friend of Trump, this means Trump is an agent of Russia! OMG.
If I were to examine your life and people 2 and 3 steps out from ALL of your friends and relatives, I guarantee I could make a chart full of criminals and other suspicious people. I could do it about my own life and anyone else.
They also go on about people who lived in Trump Tower. Well, let me tell you a secret: Trump Tower has PRIVATE residences. It's like a big, fancy apartment complex. Trump has no control over what these people do in their PRIVATE residences. Trump is there to make money by selling his these apartments/condos (whatever billionaires call them).
Seriously, this is conspiracy theory nuttery. It's the same shite Repubs did to Obama when he was in office. I hate Obama as much as the next guy, but some of the Obama conspiracy theories were on this same sort of quackery level.
Also, there's this:
John McCain's campaign manager was a business partner with Manafort. This makes McCain an agent of Putin as well.
If I were to examine your life and people 2 and 3 steps out from ALL of your friends and relatives, I guarantee I could make a chart full of criminals and other suspicious people. I could do it about my own life and anyone else.
They also go on about people who lived in Trump Tower. Well, let me tell you a secret: Trump Tower has PRIVATE residences. It's like a big, fancy apartment complex. Trump has no control over what these people do in their PRIVATE residences. Trump is there to make money by selling his these apartments/condos (whatever billionaires call them).
Seriously, this is conspiracy theory nuttery. It's the same shite Repubs did to Obama when he was in office. I hate Obama as much as the next guy, but some of the Obama conspiracy theories were on this same sort of quackery level.
Also, there's this:
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Manafort’s partner, Rick Davis, also served as national campaign manager for Senator John McCain in 2008, so this may not just be a Trump association.
John McCain's campaign manager was a business partner with Manafort. This makes McCain an agent of Putin as well.
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Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:53 am to Navytiger74
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And what cover? I post here enough for people to decipher my ideas and sympathies.
Come on, man.
(1) You're one of the primary posters here who is still harping on the bogus Trump/Russia situation. It's been looked at for a year now, and several people like Clapper and Morell have said there's nothing there. Some of us asked you to provide A SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE to back up your contentions on this matter, and you couldn't come up with anything. Yet, you still harp on it like there's something there. THAT'S AS PARTISAN AS IT GETS, and frankly, doesn't exactly fit the mold of a self-described moderate Republican.
(2) Meanwhile, there are red flags all over Obamagate. Rice, Farkas, using the British intelligence agency for both cover & to skirt certain laws, etc. AND YET, you are signing on to any bat-shite crazy idea in order to deflect away from the truth on this.
Dude, Obama was telling black people at campaign rallies that he would personally consider it a repudiation of HIM if they didn't turn out and vote for Clinton. Obama, mostly out of his hatred for Trump, was all-in for Hillary in the general election.
Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:57 am to Doc Fenton
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For frick's sake. The man was being groomed by KGB agents since the 1980s
Posted on 4/15/17 at 9:57 am to League Champs
Who is going to jail? 
Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:02 am to KCT
quote:Clapper and Morrell have intimated that there was no evidence, to date, of collusion. I'm fine with that of course. It would be much better for the country if that's the case, as a matter of fact.
(1) You're one of the primary posters here who is still harping on the bogus Trump/Russia situation. It's been looked at for a year now, and several people like Clapper and Morell have said there's nothing there. Some of us asked you to provide A SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE to back up your contentions on this matter, and you couldn't come up with anything. Yet, you still harp on it like there's something there. THAT'S AS PARTISAN AS IT GETS, and frankly, doesn't exactly fit the mold of a self-described moderate Republican.
But the matter is still being investigated. I'll take the word of the committees and agencies and (if necessary) special counsels when they say "we've looked through everything and there's nothing here."
And this has nothing to do with partisanship.
quote:Red flags that the Brits picked up some stuff during the conduct of legal, routine collections of Russian actors that scared the shite out of them enough to bring it to someone's attention. I mean it wouldn't necessarily even have to be about campaign tampering when you think about it.
(2) Meanwhile, there are red flags all over Obamagate. Rice, Farkas, using the British intelligence agency for both cover & to skirt certain laws, etc. AND YET, you are signing on to any bat-shite crazy idea in order to deflect away from the truth on this.
quote:Why not drop the bomb in October, then? If I order a politically motivated operation to influence a campaign, I'm damned sure going to use it during the campaign.
Dude, Obama was telling black people at campaign rallies that he would personally consider it a repudiation of HIM if they didn't turn out and vote for Clinton. Obama, mostly out of his hatred for Trump, was all-in for Hillary in the general election.
Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:07 am to Navytiger74
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Not so fast.
Don't you and a few other "Christians" believe that Trump was chosen by God to fulfill some prophecy?
Not that I care, but you have gotten on this kick of mocking my Christian faith lately, and this is at least the 3rd or 4th time you've done so. Hey, keep doing it, because it doesn't move my meter at all.
Here comes the part that you will copy/paste. Do I personally believe that? Yes, I do. I realize that might not play well with many here, but I have several reasons for believing that. In fact,If this board allowed us to talk about religion and spirituality, I would be happy to author a thread laying out my reasons for believing such.
THAT BEING SAID, your diversion regarding my faith has nothing to do with what we are discussing here. We are talking about the Obama Administration spying on Trump.
Like I said, if board rules were different I would gladly lay out all my reasons for believing what I believe in a thread. But since religion/faith/spirituality is forbidden here, I can't. I'm not going to "halfway" discuss it.
Besides, my faith isn't the issue here. You know that evidence keeps piling up every day regarding your boy Obama & his administration spying on Trump, so you are simply deflecting.
This post was edited on 4/15/17 at 10:11 am
Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:09 am to Navytiger74
What Is more likely is the Russian story is a front to cover the spying of team trump than any collusion between team trump and the Russians. Reason to suspect Obama admin of wrong doing are treatment of James Rosen and the January 2017 executive orders.
This post was edited on 4/15/17 at 10:11 am
Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:10 am to League Champs
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He clarifies that he wasn't accusing BHO of ordering it,
Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:11 am to jb4
quote:Except that the second (Trump team collusion) preceded and spawned the first.
What Is more likely is the Russian story is a front to cover the surrivalliance of team trump than any collusion between team trump and the Russians.
Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:11 am to Navytiger74
quote:
Why not drop the bomb in October, then?
Drop what bomb?
Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:14 am to KCT
quote:Well that's a fair response. And though I consider the claim RE: God choosing Trump ridiculous, I'll drop it. As you said it's not the point here.
Not that I care, but you have gotten on this kick of mocking my Christian faith lately, and this is at least the 3rd or 4th time you've done so. Hey, keep doing it, because it doesn't move my meter at all.
Here comes the part that you will copy/paste. Do I personally believe that? Yes, I do. I realize that might not play well with many here, but I have several reasons for believing that. In fact,If this board allowed us to talk about religion and spirituality, I would be happy to author a thread laying out my reasons for believing such.
THAT BEING SAID, your diversion regarding my faith has nothing to do with what we are discussing here. We are talking about the Obama Administration spying on Trump.
Like I said, if board rules were different I would gladly lay out all my reasons for believing what I believe in a thread. But since religion/faith/spirituality is forbidden here, I can't. I'm not going to "halfway" discuss it.
Besides, my faith isn't the issue here. You know that evidence keeps piling up every day regarding your boy Obama & his administration spying on Trump, so you are simply deflecting.
Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:16 am to Navytiger74
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They were monitoring various Russian persons, not future Trump campaign members.
You missed the point. Paul Manafort was not in Trump's campaign until the middle of 2016. Same goes for Carter Page (who, by the way, has never even talked to Trump). These intercepts started in 2015. Keep in mind, that Trump did not even enter the race until June of 2015 and by the end of the year he still had 5 strong opponents. Even though he polled well, not many people thought he had a chance to take the Republican nomination (remember Ann Coulter being laughed off Bill Maher's show?). So why did GCHQ think it so important to pass information about one of seventeen candidates to Obama?
Anyway, my question remains: What Trump campaign people were they picking up in 2015 on the other end of those conversations? It couldn't have been Manafort or Page.
Roger Stone perhaps? (I think he was with trump early on). And why haven't those names been leaked like everything else about this case?
Besides, it's not like Stone or Manafort came out of nowhere: these guys have been around Washington for decades working on various campaigns. Why now all of a sudden did they become Russian agents?
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Why not break it all in October if that's the case? What's the point in pulling some shite like this to rig an election if you don't introduce it during the election.
They didn't because 1) They had nothing and 2) They knew their whole investigation was highly unethical if not illegal. It was nothing but political opposition research.
Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:16 am to KCT
quote:As long as there is an active FBI investigation into the very same situation I don't think you can expect it to go away.
still harping on the bogus Trump/Russia situation
In fact, you would have to be delusional to think a President's campaign being under investigation for collusion with a foreign adversary is not worthy of discussion on a political message board.
Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:17 am to Navytiger74
Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:18 am to KCT
quote:During the campaign, Russian interference wasn't even widely publicly disclosed until October, and even then it was characterized as measures taken to merely undermine the process. The Russian's preference for a Trump win wasn't released to the public until after the new year, and the formal acknowledgement of the investigation into collusion between campaign members and the Russians dropped all of three weeks ago.
Drop what bomb?
Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:20 am to Navytiger74
Did Russia attempt to interfere in the 2012 election?
Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:21 am to Doc Fenton
Yikes. You are getting into TXTiger levels of delusion in their thread. Trump has literally caused you to lose your mind. Seek help.
Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:28 am to Navytiger74
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Well that's a fair response. And though I consider the claim RE: God choosing Trump ridiculous, I'll drop it. As you said it's not the point here.
Not the response I was expecting.
I was raised to give credit where credit is due, and you've impressed me here (whether that means anything to you or not). I'll give you props for that
PS - And trust me, for once, when I say that I wouldn't mind going into detail on it. I once started a thread on here entitled "Do you believe in a spiritual realm," and it became my all-time favorite thread in this forum. 1,400 responses, and THEN some admin deleted it.
I wish we had a board to discuss spiritual matters, but I understand why Chicken doesn't allow it. This is a business for him. Chicken's top 2 priorities are (1) create a board that is as sponsor-friendly as possible (you do that by being an non-controversial as possible), and 2) don't attract the ire of the powers-that-be AT LSU (that's why you will get banned 10X faster on Tiger Rant than on the PT Board).
So, that's it. Non-controversial = No board about spirituality or faith.
Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:29 am to AUstar
quote:Not an exhaustive list of Trump associates or possible campaign surrogates or others simply alluding to something (concerning) regarding Trump, his associations, his businesses, his ties, etc. The incidental intercepts we keep referring to would theoretically be inclusive of conversations referring or alluding to Trump, his businesses, his campaign, his associates etc. They don't all have to have someone closely affiliated with him on one end of the call.
You missed the point. Paul Manafort was not in Trump's campaign until the middle of 2016. Same goes for Carter Page (who, by the way, has never even talked to Trump).
quote:Late 2015 and that timeline isn't especially relevant. See above. A card-carrying member of the campaign isn't required to be on one end of the conversation for it to be pertinent to the campaign, the election, or the principals involved.
These intercepts started in 2015. Keep in mind, that Trump did not even enter the race until June of 2015
quote:I mean we could kick around theories, but there are a lot of potential answers to that.
Besides, it's not like Stone or Manafort came out of nowhere: these guys have been around Washington for decades working on various campaigns. Why now all of a sudden did they become Russian agents?
quote:"Had nothing" (legally) doesn't mean it can't shake a campaign--if that's what you want to do. And we have to see where this goes before we start definitively stating that someone acted unethically or broke the law. Potentially a lot of people on "both sides" of this equation behaved inappropriately at the least.
They didn't because 1) They had nothing and 2) They knew their whole investigation was highly unethical if not illegal. It was nothing but political opposition research.
Posted on 4/15/17 at 10:30 am to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:That's January's talking point. You need some new firmware.
Did Russia attempt to interfere in the 2012 election?
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