re: Former GOP Congressman MTG continues to be an idiot

So you're cool with them killing YOUR family?

Or would you blame Trump for doing nothing about the threats?

Do you really expect the government to lay out all their evidence for the public to see and approve of?

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So you're cool with them killing YOUR family?

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How is Iran going to kill my family?

Other than Biden letting in terrorists they can’t project power. If you want to clean out their terror cells here in all for it, but instead our efforts are focused on toppling their government with no plan presented for how we even ensure a pro western government follows.

They were a Saudi/Israeli problem until we decided to get involved in a regional dispute that’s been going on for longer than any of us have been alive.

The only reason the current group is in power is because we let the shah be overthrown by Shia revolutionaries two generations ago after the Brits installed him to replace a popularly elected pro western leader because BP didn’t want him messing with their access to the oil fields.

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Do you really expect the government to lay out all their evidence for the public to see and approve of?

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When the only justifications given to date are lies and half truths that have been used for 30 years and actions that directly contradict what was promised during the campaign he can either explain himself in rational terms or I’m not going to blindly support it.

The bigger question is why so many on the right are willing to flip flop on major policy issues on command. Either you didn’t agree when he said he wouldn’t do this before, you didn’t care either way or you’ll just do whatever he tells you no matter what and in any of those scenarios we aren’t the same.

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Disagree. Our issues are downstream of a political class that right and left have sold out its voters for two generations in favor of globalist interests and policies that enrich their donors and transfer power away from the middle and upper middle class.

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What are you disagreeing with? The "globalist" agenda is why we have so many problems outside of our borders, which in turn ends up directly impacting us domestically. That was the point of what I said. We leave our borders open, we drain our economy on welfare to illegal aliens, and lose jobs to undocumented workers. We sell technology to foreign countries, they take business away from us. We outsource American jobs to foreigners, we make one-sided trade deals, and on and on it goes.

You can't undo all of that damage overnight. You don't politely ask China, or whoever else, to give us our jobs back. They aren't going to just give in to our demands because we ask them to. We have to hit them where it hurts. What we've done in Venezuela and Iran accomplishes that, as well as what we gain in extra oil, not to mention crippling a nuclear threat. And we already knownt hat Trump has addressed, and continues to address the border situation. We'll see how the tariffs pan out, as right now we're mostly the one's taking the beating on that, but the hope is that it brings about resolution down the line.

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This is a fair and accurate statement so long as the outcomes of the negotiations result in onshoring of wealth, jobs and power to the US.

If the policy is going to be reestablishing and expanding our empire in service of benefits to the middle class such as jobs, reduction in taxes and maintenance of the Petro dollar to finance our deficit spending paradigm that’s a discussion we can have.

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This is the discussion we're having. That is the whole idea. You're taking the pessimistic view, because, like a lot of the younger generation, when you see war, you think of Bush and all his cronies. That hasn't been Trump's reputation, and until he proves otherwise, I'm going to take the optimistic view.

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He ran on establishing a stable, reduced defense perimeter, securing the border, onshoring wealth and jobs via tariffs, ending DEI and getting us out of wars.

To date I see it like this:
-establish reduced defense perimeter: no
-Secure the border: check
-onshoring jobs and wealth: in process
-getting us out of wars: no
-ending DEI: check

So again, I support him where we align but refuse to blindly support pivots that aren’t being explained because the justifications of why things are occurring are laughably absurd.

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If you think the justifications are "laughably absurd", then I question your discernment, and I'm not quite sure how one is supposed to reason with you.

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You want to do a run down of how the conspiracy theorists have done in the last 18 months vs the media?

We disagree comprehensively on this so I doubt there’s any point arguing it.

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Considering most conspiracy theories are delusional, the record isn't very good. Some things aren't conspiracy theories at all, but the msm calls them that because they can't face reality. Which brings back to what I said earlier: I don't rely on anyone to tell me how to think. You asked me to make contrast podcasters with the media, as if there is some either/or that I'm supposed to choose between. Both platforms have some decent people, and some very dishonest people. Thinking that you are being told the truth, simply because you are avoiding the msm, is not really a path to truth. Discernment is necessary to arrive at anything close to the truth.

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Yeah because blindly going along with the expert class and bought political class has gone so swimmingly the last generation.

Id invite you to take a step back and look at our current economic, political and cultural situation in context of historical analogs and realize we have no more room for failed political adventures. Our empire is on the verge of collapse and we as a society are likely to live through a civil war or collapse absent major changes.

You’re welcome to go with the flow and trust the experts. Most Americans have realized half the experts are full of s*** and the other half are bought so the era of trust has given way to the era of prove it.

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This is exactly the kind of arrogance I referenced earlier. When someone doesn't agree, people fall back on this accusation that the other person is "blindly going along" with whatever they're told. I can't tell you how many times I've heard that. What do you know about me? Allow me to give you some background.

When the covid crap was going on, and many of my fellow Trump supporters was assuring us that Trump would save the day, I was critical of him because I said right from the beginning that Fauci couldn't be trusted, that the science didn't back up the measures that were being taken, and that Trump had made a huge mistake. I then further criticized him for pushing out a badly untested vaccine, way too early. I've criticized him for a lack of a hard stance against abortion. I've criticized his pettiness, where others applaud how "cool" they think his wittiness is.

And many others things, that I'm not going to make an entire list of, but you get the idea. I'm not some tribal follower of Trump or "the experts", as you call them. My opinion doesn't come from them. I base my opinions off of the most reliable information available. I can't do more than that, and neither can you.

You ask me to take a step back and look at things in context, but you mistakenly assume that I haven't already done so. You confuse my opposition to your way of thinking with a lack of contextual understanding, because you think, like so many, that you're smarter. Just as I said. I would urge you, in turn, to consider that pessimism cannot replace good logic and reason. It's good to question things. I do all the time. But when questions turn into endless conspiracies, and blind contrarianism, we lose all meaningful debate, and no solutions will come of it.

Our "empire" is on the verge of collapse. And it started long before all of this that we're discussing. Look around. Our country has mudered between 65 and 70 million babies, we've got gay "churches", men competing in women's sports, people cursing each other out in nearly every argument, instead of having thoughtful debate. We're teaching generation after generation that instead of God creating us, we were some the result of random chance processes.

So telling me that things have to change is not quite breaking news to me.

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the "young" (people in their early 30's and younger) generation is obsessed with conspiracy theories and wanting all the information pertaining to them released,

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Do you blame them?

They have seen countless things presented as truth be totally debunked and every day the list grows.

This is why lying isn’t always the best policy. I don’t think anyone took technology into enough consideration as to what it would uncover. And I can tell you now, it’s going to be a problem in the future as well.

Many groups are getting exposed.