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re: For WWII buffs ... FDR and holocaust
Posted on 1/27/14 at 11:29 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 1/27/14 at 11:29 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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I listened to a 1 hour lecture on book TV re: Jews and FDR.
You can't be this slow. The evidence is in the BOOK. That's why it's called BOOK TV ...Cspan.
I did not transcribe the entire ONE HOUR LECTURE in the OP. He read the documents and sourced them.
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Posted on 1/27/14 at 11:42 am to TX Tiger
quote:
No, just pointing out the hypocracy in your statement...
"Hypocracy" [sic]?
Please link to where I claimed Hitler knew.
tia.
quote:
Many have stated, his bodyguard included, that Hitler knew nothing of it.
I have nowhere claimed that this was impossible. However, Hitler's speeches and his book indicate that it was his intention to eliminate the Jews from Europe one way or another.
"Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!"
- Extract from the Speech by Hitler, January 30, 1939
quote:
If you give FDR a pass
What does this even mean? I think it is FAR more likely that Hitler had DIRECT knowledge of the extermination camps than FDR. Is that so unreasonable - much less hypocritical?
Did FDR believe that Hitler wanted to eliminate the Jews from Europe? I believe anyone at the time aware of Hitler's speeches could conclude that. Did FDR care more about the plight of the European Jew or maintaining Western European market share? I believe he cared more about the Western European markets than the Jews. But that's just my opinion.
That you jump to the conclusion that I'm being hypocritical, to me, reveals your bias.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 11:58 am to doubleb
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At this time Japan hasn't taken manila, and Rommel had experienced his first setback in N Africa at Tobruk, and the Germans had their first setback in Russia.
By the end of 1941, the writing was on the wall for the Axis. Rommel had been stopped short of taking Egypt, and Guderian had been stopped short of taking Moscow. Sure, the Germans would have some operational successes, but they had been stopped strategically. By the end of 1941 it was clear that the Germans would not take England, Egypt or Russia (Moscow/Leningrad of the RSFSP).
I know Americans don't like to acknowledge the fact that, much like WWI, by the time they entered the war, the Germans were already in tDecline.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 12:03 pm to Zach
quote:
You can't be this slow.
Well, yes, I could be.
...but I'm not.
I responded to this:
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That's the reason for the OP. The author PROVED that FDR knew
Hooray for the author. I, however, have none of this alleged "'proof'. Quote something, cite something, anything that would offer some actual information besides your OP of "He said she said" crap. I've seen shite on TV that "proved" that we didn't land on the moon in 1969. That doesn't mean I'm convinced.
Perhaps my standard of proof is somewhat higher than your own.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 12:04 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:It means that if you claim you can't know what someone else knew, then that applies to Hitler as well as to FDR....or anyone else for that matter.
If you give FDR a pass
What does this even mean?
Posted on 1/27/14 at 12:07 pm to TX Tiger
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It means that if you claim you can't know what someone else knew, then that applies to Hitler as well as to FDR....or anyone else for that matter.
That's what you call "giving [someone] a pass"?
I always thought that was getting permission from the teacher to go to the bathroom.
Now provide your evidence for calling me a hypocrite.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 12:09 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:Had you answered the question the first time, I wouldn't have "jumped to the conclusion."
That you jump to the conclusion that I'm being hypocritical, to me, reveals your bias.
ETA: Oh, and I wasn't calling you a hypocrite. I was pointing out the general hypocrisy in your statement.
This post was edited on 1/27/14 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 1/27/14 at 12:18 pm to TX Tiger
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Had you answered the question the first time
Here was my answer:
"I guess it could all have been Himmler, but judging by some of Hitler's speeches, and Mein Kampf, I'm going to go ahead and assume he was directly responsible."
And for that you call me a hypocrite? Why so fast on the draw?
Posted on 1/27/14 at 12:22 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:That was your second answer. Should have been your first.
Had you answered the question the first time
Here was my answer:
"I guess it could all have been Himmler, but judging by some of Hitler's speeches, and Mein Kampf, I'm going to go ahead and assume he was directly responsible."
Posted on 1/27/14 at 12:26 pm to TX Tiger
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I was pointing out the general hypocrisy in your statement.
Jesus, man, there was no "general hypocrisy" in my statement. I merely said it is impossible to know what FDR knew. I nowhere said anything about what Hitler did or did not know. I only entertained that speculation after you referred to my statement as hypocritical.
I'm starting to think you don't even know what "hypocrisy" means - especially since you couldn't even spell it correctly.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 12:31 pm to TX Tiger
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That was your second answer. Should have been your first.
I'm assuming you meant answer to your question: "You apply that same "logic" towards Hitler knowing of the Holocaust?"
Here is my first response to your question:
quote:quote:
You apply that same "logic" towards Hitler knowing of the Holocaust?
Are you implying that Hitler was unaware of the murder campaign against Jews?
I guess it could all have been Himmler, but judging by some of Hitler's speeches, and Mein Kampf, I'm going to go ahead and assume he was directly responsible.
LINK
Don't frick with me, boy.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 12:33 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Perhaps my standard of proof is somewhat higher than your own.
Translation: "I want 5,000 pages of stenography on this message board from your viewing of the lecture."
Your standard is very high.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 12:39 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:You're fricking with yourself plenty for the both of us.
Don't frick with me, boy.
I'm glad you are not hypocritical, and wish you had stated such originally - thus saving us from this runaround.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 12:42 pm to Zach
quote:I couldn't watch it. Couldn't get past that dudes hair.
I listened to a 1 hour lecture on book TV re: Jews and FDR.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 12:47 pm to TX Tiger
Profs are supposed to have weird hair. Especially in the social sciences. And don't get me started about female profs with their weird hair.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 12:49 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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By the end of 1941, the writing was on the wall for the Axis. Rommel had been stopped short of taking Egypt, and Guderian had been stopped short of taking Moscow. Sure, the Germans would have some operational successes, but they had been stopped strategically. By the end of 1941 it was clear that the Germans would not take England, Egypt or Russia (Moscow/Leningrad of the RSFSP). I know Americans don't like to acknowledge the fact that, much like WWI, by the time they entered the war, the Germans were already in tDecline.
It is easy to say that now, but on January 1st of 1942 I doubt that Russia or Britain was feeling very confident.
You can say all that now knowing how Alamein II turned out and what happened in Stalingrad, etc. but no one knew all that in 1941.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 12:51 pm to Zach
quote:Advance him to the head of the class!
Profs are supposed to have weird hair.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 12:52 pm to Zach
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Translation: "I want 5,000 pages of stenography on this message board from your viewing of the lecture."
Your translation skills are horrible.
..or you're just lazy.
A couple of quotes, maybe a citation or two - SOMETHING.
Maybe like this. Although, that is quite extensive and I wouldn't expect that much effort from you, Zach.
But apparently, your standard is, if you see it on TV, it MUST be true.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 1:04 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:
A couple of quotes, maybe a citation or two - SOMETHING.
From watching TV on my couch with a new puppy on my lap? Why don't you just read the book?
Posted on 1/27/14 at 1:06 pm to Zach
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