re: For those who haven't heard of Frank DiPrima.........Let me Introduce AggieHank's boy

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Hank expressed that he thought highly of DiPrima.

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No, he didn't.

He SAID that he had no reason to believe that DiPrima fabricated the Kelley quote.

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He SAID that he had no reason to believe that DiPrima fabricated the Kelley quote

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You reference yourself in 3rd person?

That's not egomaniacal or anything....

Or weird....

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BECAUSE I assumed that pretty much everyone was ALREADY familiar with the story

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You are unable to stop lying at this point, aren't you?

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I cannot accept responsibility for your lack of awareness of the world around you.

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You've been caught LYING and being a hypocrite for holding others to standards you refuse to abide by yourself.

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AGAIN with this nonsense?

Again, please how where I made any false statement. We both know that you cannot do so.

I expressed opinions with which you do not agree. I take pride in that fact, because I frankly do not think much of your analytical abilities.

This is how one melts. Holy moly

Hank desperate at this point.

Writing a graduate thesis trying to salvage himself.

Didn’t you vote for Obama?

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The next several pages consisted of Ooga insisting that that the DePrima statement was some sort of third-hand rumor. I STILL do not understand where he gets this nonsense. There were TWO players. Kelley (allegedly) said something, and DiPrima (demonstrably) repeated it.

For those several pages, it was basically me and Ooga, with him failing to grasp that DiPrima's repetition of Kelley's (alleged) statement was was a "first-hand" account that the statement was MADE. If the question is "Did Kelley say X" (and not whether "X" is true), the statement would not even be hearsay and would be entirely admissible. If the question is "Was Trump a terrible student," the statement WOULD be hearsay and would likely not be admissible. Outside a court of law, people rely upon hearsay to some extent every day. And this forum is NOT a court of law.

Was DePrima's account a FALSE one? Who knows? I doubt it, but I acknowledged the possibility. Many posters are utterly convinced that it IS false. Such is life. But I simply do not understand how ANYONE could claim that someone is "lying" when that person openly acknowledges that the information he is conveying MAY be false. It truly boggles the mind.

Repeating an allegation that I believe to be accurate (while acknowledging the possibility that it may not be) is NOT "lying." It is simply voicing an OPINION that differs from your own. Most people do not have difficultly grasping this distinction, which is why I tend to lean toward the "internet tough-guy" analysis of these "liar" allegations. I simply have difficulty acceptig that any adult could actually BE that stupid.

YES, I said that I had no reason to disbelieve DiPrima. I did not praise him, and I did not claim any ideological kinship with him. I simply did not start from the premise that ANYONE is a liar, and I still do not.

Enter Shorty. As I recall, it was HIS involvement which led me to actually run a detailed search on DiPrima. I had never done so before this weekend, because I had no reason to do so. His repetition of the Kelley statement had been nothing more than a chuckle-worthy anecdote. One guy repeating something that a deceased friend had told him in the past.

So, I learned that DiPrima makes the occasional Op-Ed type contribution on the Daily Kos. I read ONE of his other articles (about the Schultz candidacy), and it made clear several things. First, he is indeed very liberal. Second, he dislikes Trump intensely. Third, he is knowledgeable, intelligent and articulate ... regardless of whether you agree or disagree with his views. Yes, I understand that many also have difficulty accepting that a political opponent can BE both intelligent and articulate. I do not. In my view, the intelligent and articulate opponent is actually more dangerous than the idiots like AOC and Ilhan Omar ... who I view as more of a clown show than anything.

In any case, Shorty constructed a sand castle in which I had full knowledge of everything about DiPrima's background and intentionally sought to hide that information. Nothing could be further from the truth, though I have no doubt that he will insist that his sand castle is built of solid stone and that many sheep will "baaaaa" that he is entirely correct.

I will NOT call Shorty a "liar," because he is NOT "lying." He is expressing an OPINION. It is an erroneous opinion, but that is a different matter entirely.

But his obsession with this exchange has truly become entertaining. He went so far as counting the number of outlets that published the story and claiming that I was a "liar" for asserting that the story had appeared in "many" publications.

It HAS appeared in many publications, but Shorty does seem to be correct that most (perhaps even "all") make reference to the original publication in the Daily Kos. I recalled reading one article from some Long Island publication that made reference to the story appearing on DiPrima's FaceBook and to the fact that such publication had conducted a telephone interview with DiPrima regarding the story. I went back and found it her: LINK

Yes, that article also makes reference to the Kos story. I do not recall whether I noticed the reference, though I perhaps should have assigned it more significance if I had done so, because I classify both Mother Jones and the Daily Kos EXACTLY as I classify Gateway Pundit and the Daily Caller ... extremist rags. I would have expected a anti-Trump outlet (rather than GP or DC) to publish a statement unflattering of Trump (e.g. the DiPrima item), which is PROBABLY why I did not attribute much significance to it. Sue me.

But back to Shorty's obsession. NOW he is claiming that I hid in the bushes and waited for him to go offline before posting something. Silliness. He is a relatively bright guy, but I hardly find him intimidating. He also claimed that I was "lurking" without posting, just waiting for the opportunity to pounce upon him in his absence. For this, he provided the "evidence" that my profile showed me to be online.

I cannot speak for anyone else, but I NEVER "logoff" on this site. When I am done, I close the Chrome window on my desktop or simply flip the cover on my iPad. Both are set to "remember" or keep me siged on or whatever the term may be, so that I need not re-enter a password whenever I return. For all I know, my profile may well indicate that I am online when I have been sound asleep for hours. Much like I do not care whether Shorty is online, I have never cared enough about this issue to seek an answer to that question.

In any case, Shorty got obsessive, did some research, and drew some conclusions. He is mistaken, but I will not call him a "liar." Oddly obsessive, but not a liar by any means.

Lastly, I am entertained by Ooga's claims that HE and Shorty "owned" me. Setting aside the question of whether anyone was "owned," anything that was accomplished was accomplished solely by Shorty, his brains, and his research. Ooga's contribution reminded me of Chester trailing along behind Spike.

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Holy fricking Wall of Text, Batman. I wish George RR Martin would write that much that fast.

On a side note, how insecure do you have to be to post a defensive missive like that?

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YES, I said that I had no reason to disbelieve DiPrima.

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Honestly, on top of dishonesty, this was the silliest thing you said during your ruse.

Contrary to your assertions, I can find ZERO links of DiPrima EVER talking about the subject other than his October 2017 article.

For you to say there was "no reason to disbelieve" a recollection that............take notes now:

1. Was a quote of a man who had been dead 6 years

2. Written by a man who has a fricking hard on for Trump that would make porn stars envious

3. Supposedly repeated to this man more than 100 times

4. Yet somehow, he failed to bring it up at ANY POINT during the campaign and in fact, only brought it up ELEVEN frickING MONTHS after the election!!!

If that shite seems credible to you, I hope you don't have kids because you'll believe anyfrickinthing