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Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:08 am to Salmon
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how do you think your local ISP got their network built?
1. Propose fiber routes.
2. Hire survey company.
3. Conduct survey and engineering.
4. Acquire ROW, easements and permits.
5. Bid out project.
6. Execute project.
7. Start up.
8. Hook up new costumers.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:09 am to notsince98
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Here is a great site to follow that exposes the cronyism of net neutrality: FreeOurInternet.org
Run by the very stooges who want to force you to pay extra to leave their packaged "internet." Right wing people are so easily led to do things which are bad for themselves and the rest of us. Just say that the good and right choice is "liberal" or
"Obama's" and then the right wing outrage will advocate for cutting their own arms off.
I see it in this thread. "Obama's net neutrality." Net neutrality isn't Obama's, you idiot. It is your freedom.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:09 am to BamaAtl
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Why?
there is an argument that those sorts of plans could lead to lower prices and customizeable internet packages
more poor people could afford basic internet access
also you can get deals like tmobile streaming music service
Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:09 am to Jack Bauers HnK
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Has that ever been a reality
We have always had net neutrality, so thankfully it has never been a reality re: internet services.
But it will be a reality shortly if what this fool advocates for happens.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:10 am to BamaAtl
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Why?
You are assuming that the number of ISPs will remain the same. That won't happen.
Competition will kill that in one second.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:10 am to GumboPot
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How are ISP's government created monopolies?
that cable wasn't laid by the companies asking each property owner's permission
Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:11 am to TBoy
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Net neutrality isn't Obama's, you idiot. It is your freedom.
calls people right wingers and accuses them of mislabeling things
then calls increased government regulation freedom
Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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customizeable internet packages
There is the issue right there. Internet access is access to the internet. To whatever you can find, whatever you want to do. I don't want Cox to tell me what internet channels they offer. The mere existence of channels means the isp has absolute control over what you see and read. frick that.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:13 am to SlowFlowPro
the main argument against NN is that it does protect the current ISPs and it will slow innovation
and I get those arguments, but how far away are we from having real wire free ISPs? that technology seems like it is decades away and I'm not sure I want to suffer through Comcast killing my internet in the meantime
and I get those arguments, but how far away are we from having real wire free ISPs? that technology seems like it is decades away and I'm not sure I want to suffer through Comcast killing my internet in the meantime
Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:14 am to GumboPot
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You are assuming that the number of ISPs will remain the same. That won't happen.
Competition will kill that in one second.
why are there not more ISPs right now?
Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:16 am to GumboPot
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You are assuming that the number of ISPs will remain the same. That won't happen.
Competition will kill that in one second.
There's a term you need to learn, before you're ready to really understand this.
That term is "geographic monopoly"
Let us know when you've learned it and are ready to discuss from a more informed position.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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there is an argument that those sorts of plans could lead to lower prices and customizeable internet packages
The first point is a lie, the second is not a positive.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:17 am to Salmon
yeah we're only faced with the best of bad options
NN will essentially establish the current ISPs and there will likely never be a challenger or competition for them. we're setting our internet access industry in stone for at least a decade (possibly more)
no NN could lead to some very fricked up "package" scenarios
NN will essentially establish the current ISPs and there will likely never be a challenger or competition for them. we're setting our internet access industry in stone for at least a decade (possibly more)
no NN could lead to some very fricked up "package" scenarios
Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:18 am to BamaAtl
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The first point is a lie,
i didn't know you could see into the future
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the second is not a positive.
if more budget options are available to poor people and more poor people get internet access, that's a bad thing?
man you've pulled a 180 on your robin hood mentality
Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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that cable wasn't laid by the companies asking each property owner's permission
So the condemnation process...for the greater good.
IMO internet is a different issue than other utilities. Internet infrastructure is MUCH easier to install than gas, water,sewer, and/or electric utilities. Even with those utilities you pay for what you use. Given the fact that fiber is much easier to install competition is thus greater. New players will always be ready to step in when old players get fat, expensive and lazy (especially in high destiny areas).
Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:20 am to GumboPot
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New players will always be ready to step in when old players get fat, expensive and lazy (especially in high destiny areas).
why haven't they?
Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:22 am to Salmon
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why are there not more ISPs right now?
Prices are too low and service is good enough.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
It was discussed as early as the 90s, but was enforced on an informal level until more strict regulations were required.
Not a hard concept.
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