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re: For those of you over age 50-55....did you ever think you would see the fall of America?
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:05 am to Hangover Haven
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:05 am to Hangover Haven
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Being a high school/college kid in the 80’s, I would’ve never thought the country would have such low morale forty years later…
This country was so upbeat in that decade… and now it’s shite… We need another renewal of those times again..
Those were my days too in HS and at Bama. What a great time it was to be young!
During those years we all felt anything was possible and we could be whatever we wanted to be when we "grew up". I don't remember that many people hating on our country, or groups of people separating themselves out, and certainly didn't have people attacking other people for a joke they told or a view they might have.
I am shocked that this country has become what it is today and really never thought it would happen or happen in my lifetime. There is so much anger and rage now that it is keeping people stuck in their mess.
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:19 am to BamaMamaof2
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I don't remember that many people hating on our country, or groups of people separating themselves out
Viet Nam?
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:22 am to Bass Tiger
What a long strange trip it's been.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:35 am to Big Scrub TX
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Yeah, norms such as segregated lunch counters and science experiments on live, unwitting Americans (Tuskegee, MK Ultra, etc.)
For all the handwringing about the deep state now, the CIA was absolutely out of control for decades during these supposed halcyon years of "righteousness and betterment". And the people then who attempted to push against or protest such things were cast as lowlifes and thuggish nonconformists. The level of hypocrisy is mindblowing.
You seem to default back to past grievances about the mistreatment of black Americans …..a lot!
This OP has nothing to do about segregation or some bad things the federal government or some of its related agencies did to black Americans or for that matter to any Americans.
This OP is based on my observations of American society and the behavior of the federal government and how drastically each has changed over my 63 years as a US citizen.
I challenge someone to make a credible/reasonable case that since the late 60’s American society is in a more stable and in a more objectively moral state. I present the same challenge for anyone to make a case for the federal government, that it’s an improved institution since the late 60’s. I’ll save ya the time and effort, no one can refute the current societal decay and the absolute mass corruption that has seeped into every nook and cranny of the federal government and it’s related agencies…..consequently the American people have very little faith in the federal government and for that matter, very little faith in the MSM, academia, the justice system, etc.
Yeah, we’re in a bad place that’s going to take serious work to reverse and remedy.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:40 am to hubertcumberdale
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petty theft is irrelevant
The far right (at least as compared to the communazis) company below seems to disagree with your take.
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The CEO of Starbucks is shuttering 16 profitable stores nationwide over disruptions that he's blamed on the cities' woke leaders for 'abdicating their responsibility' to fight crime. Howard Schultz said 'America has become unsafe' after he announced that 16 stores will close in several left-leaning cities across the country because staff are being attacked and reports of drug use at the popular cafés. The cities set to see closures include the company's hometown of Seattle, as well as four other liberal-run municipalities - Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Portland and D.C - where crime rates have soared due to woke policies including police cuts.
3/5 of those cities are out west.
Again, the charts and graphs are pointless, as what constitutes a crime has been “redefined” through the years, just like inflation (excluding murder...which I noted).
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:43 am to jimmy the leg
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3/5 of those cities are out west.
Again, the charts and graphs are pointless, as what constitutes a crime has been “redefined” through the years, just like inflation (excluding murder...which I noted).
The murder rate is down roughly the same percent of violent crime over the last 30 years, you come up with some interesting mental gymnastics to confirm your bias
ETA: they are both down 50% from 1990 - 2018
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 9:45 am
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:44 am to Big Scrub TX
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Yeah, norms such as segregated lunch counters and science experiments on live, unwitting Americans (Tuskegee, MK Ultra, etc.)
Those were wrongs, as I have noted previously.
Those heinous acts not withstanding, what is being done currently, while not as vile, is far more widespread.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:47 am to hubertcumberdale
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The murder rate is down roughly the same percent of violent crime over the last 30 years, you come up with some interesting mental gymnastics to confirm your bias
I have no bias, just logic based assessment.
Outside of murder, the definitions for what constitutes select crimes have changed. As such, your graphs over time are flawed. You are propagating a false narrative.
I do admire your willingness to goose-step in the face of common sense. I will at least give you credit for being a true believer.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:53 am to jimmy the leg
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I have no bias, just logic based assessment.
Outside of murder, the definitions for what constitutes select crimes have changed. As such, your graphs over time are flawed. You are propagating a false narrative.
I do admire your willingness to goose-step in the face of common sense. I will at least give you credit for being a true believer.
well considering murders are pretty objective, its interesting both murders and what is defined as "violent crime" has decreased the same amount over the same period of time
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:07 am to hubertcumberdale
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well considering murders are pretty objective, its interesting both murders and what is defined as "violent crime" has decreased the same amount over the same period of time
Interesting, yes.
That being said, gang violence in the early to mid 90’s was quite prolific. “Drive by” killings REALLY skewed the data.
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Los Angeles County gang violence worst in country By ELKA WORNER MAY 21, 1992 ADVERTISEMENT LOS ANGELES -- There are 150,000 gang members and 1,000 gangs in Los Angeles County -- far more than officials had projected -- and gang violence in the city is the worst in the nation, according report released Thursday by the District Attorney's Office.
The data analysis:
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From 1989 to 1993, there were 6,327 drive-by shootings, 9,053 people shot at, and 590 homicides. There was an increase in drive-by shootings, people shot at, and homicides between 1989 and 1991, followed by a decrease between 1991 and 1993. The case fatality ratio of individuals killed to individuals shot at increased from 1989 to 1993 (p = 0.0011). Forty-seven percent of the people shot at, and 23% of the homicide victims, were innocent bystanders. Conclusion: Drive-by shootings are a major public health problem in Los Angeles. While the rate of drive-by shootings decreased in 1992 and 1993, the proportion of fatal cases increased.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:21 am to jimmy the leg
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That being said, gang violence in the early to mid 90’s was quite prolific. “Drive by” killings REALLY skewed the data.
Not sure what point you are trying to make
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:38 am to hubertcumberdale
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Viet Nam?
I was speaking about the 80's, not the 70's.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:39 am to hubertcumberdale
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Not sure what point you are trying to make
That there were more murders in the early to mid 90’s, and that gang “drive by” attacks were a major source of those murders.
Gang murders, while still occurring, are happening at a much lower incidence rate than in the early 90’s, hence...fewer murders today. The Bloods and Crips were at war on a national level (crack).
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According to a 1989 Washington Post article, L.A. gang members moved into new towns, recruited, and ran drugs from Los Angeles to as far as Baltimore. By 1990, in most cities in the U.S., you could find young people affiliated as either a Crip or a Blood. Read More: LINK
A hit ton of murders were committed as a result.
Hell, the attempted takeover of NOLA from outside gangs in the early nineties lead to the deadliest year on record. It was so bad that the Russian mafia said “frick that place.” Probably because the NOPD was infiltrated by the gangs.
The most influential gang was the Glenn Metz gang.
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"At that time, the Glenn Metz gang was terrorizing New Orleans. They drove around in a black pick-up truck with 'Murder' written on it. And wherever that truck ended up, someone was murdered," Serpas said. The number of homicides nearly doubled, from 228 in 1988 to a high of 424 in 1994.
Why did the murder rate go down? For one, gangs were targeted by the Feds. Secondly, the gangs came to an understanding involving regionalization of territory and distribution of drugs.
That being said, ever murder rates are on the rise now.
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CRIME
New Orleans on track to have one of its deadliest years ever.
“It’s only the second time since Katrina they’ve been above 30 murders in a month."
Author: Paul Murphy / Eyewitness News Published: 6:17 PM CDT July 1, 2022 Updated: 6:17 PM CDT July 1, 2022
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 10:47 am
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:54 am to hubertcumberdale
I believe most people you’re arguing with are claiming violent crime and murder are on the increase. Not that they are higher or lower than the halcyon days of the 1980s. What do the facts say about the last three or four years?
This and other sources suggest an alarming uptick in violence and murder in the last few years. Whether it’s a short term anomaly or a trend may be uncertain, but the data seems to show violent crimes are increasing, particularly in metropolitan areas.
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Violent crimes are on the rise in major cities across the country this year following 2020's already skyrocketing national murder spike that bled into the following year.
Fox News Digital examined crime data from Baltimore, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York City, Philadelphia, Seattle and Washington, D.C., and found violent crimes have increased anywhere from nearly 5% to up to 40% compared to the same time frame in 2021.
Violent crimes are typically defined as reports of rape, sexual assault, robbery, assault and murder.
Violent crimes have reached unprecedented numbers in the last two years, with murders increasing by nearly 30% in 2020 compared to 2019, according to FBI data. By 2021, homicides continued to rise in major American cities across the country, with the Council on Criminal Justice releasing data in January showing a 5% increase in homicides compared to 2020’s wildly bloody year.
This and other sources suggest an alarming uptick in violence and murder in the last few years. Whether it’s a short term anomaly or a trend may be uncertain, but the data seems to show violent crimes are increasing, particularly in metropolitan areas.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:59 am to Mr. Misanthrope
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I believe most people you’re arguing with are claiming violent crime and murder are on the increase. Not that they are higher or lower than the halcyon days of the 1980s. What do the facts say about the last three or four years?
The title of the thread
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For those of you over age 50-55....did you ever think you would see the fall of America?
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:05 am to hubertcumberdale
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The title of the thread
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For those of you over age 50-55....did you ever think you would see the fall of America?
True. The thread was derailed by a troll.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:09 am to jimmy the leg
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True. The thread was derailed by a troll.
I guess I am a troll for using metrics to indicate that this is not the "fall of America"
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:51 am to Bass Tiger
I never thought that I would ever see this many stupid people in charge, ever.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:59 am to hubertcumberdale
So, no response to data that is inconvenient to your troll.
Got it.
Have a good one.
Got it.
Have a good one.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 12:36 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
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So, no response to data that is inconvenient to your troll.
Got it.
Have a good one.
The title of the thread and content within it are not people arguing about recent crime increases as "the fall of America" when crime has been objectively 2x worse 30 years ago
anything else?
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