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re: For the morons on here that claim the House's role in impeachment is akin to a grand jury
Posted on 10/24/19 at 3:04 pm to udtiger
Posted on 10/24/19 at 3:04 pm to udtiger
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The President of the United States is a citizen of the United States and is entitled to all of the due process rights afforded under the Constitution. Regardless of whether or not the "rules" or mechanisms for impeachment are set forth under Article I, or any other part of the Constitution, Congress is still subject to the due process requirements contained therein.
shite...fricking terrorists in Guantanamo and illegal aliens have due process rights. What is happening here is contrary to any meaning of due process provided for under the Constitution or the interpretive jurisprudence.
You are talking about taking away someone's freedom or possibly even life. What is going on now is about removing someone from office lol. Sooooo not even close to the same thing.
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Posted on 10/24/19 at 3:08 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Removing someone from office because you alt leftists are mad and your feeling are hurt...
#resist
by any means necessary
Seriously, piss off. You resistance fighters are pathetic.
It is old.
I hope like hell the new crop of Republicans down the road studies this #resistance and uses it against your side forevermore.
#resist
by any means necessary
Seriously, piss off. You resistance fighters are pathetic.
It is old.
I hope like hell the new crop of Republicans down the road studies this #resistance and uses it against your side forevermore.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 3:10 pm to roadGator
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roadGator
Posted on 10/24/19 at 3:10 pm to udtiger
What part of his due process rights have been violated?
No one has brought a charge against him, what has he been denied?
No one has brought a charge against him, what has he been denied?
This post was edited on 10/24/19 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 10/24/19 at 3:21 pm to DeathAndTaxes
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During the first session of the 93d Congress (January 21 to December 20, 1973), 16 resolutions to impeach President Nixon were introduced in the House of
Representatives." In the first week of the second session, an additional impeachment resolution was introduced. All 17 resolutions were referred to the House Judiciary
Committee.
quote:
[img]Twenty additional resolutions during the first session of the 931d Congress called for an investigation of whether the House should undertake impeachment proceedings against President Nixon.~~ Two other resolutions sought to create a select committee
for this purpose.48 On February 6, 1974, the House passed a resolution (H.Res. 803) sponsored by Representative Peter W. Rodino, Jr., Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, "to investigate fully and completely whether sufficient grounds exist for the House of Representatives to exercise its constitutional power to impeach Richard M. Nixon, President of the United States of America. Mr.Rodino's resolution also granted subpoena power to the committee, and specifically approved the expenditure of funds, which had been made available to the committee the previous November under H.Res. 702, to conduct the investigation.'[/img]
CRS Beginning around Pg. 16
There were a whole lot a house resolutions going on around Nixon.
Sorry if there are typos or weird fonts, kind of grainy PDF
This post was edited on 10/24/19 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 10/24/19 at 3:22 pm to DeathAndTaxes
Good point. Due process objection won't hunt either.
Most of the these objections seem to be faux procedural. Can we see some baws stand up for the conduct itself?
Most of the these objections seem to be faux procedural. Can we see some baws stand up for the conduct itself?
Posted on 10/24/19 at 3:29 pm to TigerDoc
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Can we see some baws stand up for the conduct itself?
What conduct?
Posted on 10/24/19 at 3:32 pm to TigerDoc
I'm fine with the conduct. If Quid Pro Joe was abusing the powers of his office to benefit his son financially [and there is plenty of smoke there] then that was a crime and it should be investigated. No one is above the law.
As for constitutionality, I believe that Nances and Schitts are violating the Quorum Clause which requires that Majority of House to vote to authorize an impeachment inquiry.
LINK
As for constitutionality, I believe that Nances and Schitts are violating the Quorum Clause which requires that Majority of House to vote to authorize an impeachment inquiry.
LINK
Posted on 10/24/19 at 3:33 pm to udtiger
GEOTUS and his 2 or 3 channel approach to Ukraine, conditioning congressionally-appropriated funds on a public announcement of an investigation of an opponent. I assume all this commotion about House process is because most folks in Washington don't want to go on record defending the President on this.
This post was edited on 10/24/19 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 10/24/19 at 3:36 pm to udtiger
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For the morons on here that claim the House's role in impeachment is akin to a grand jury
I think it's DUMB AF to compare the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES who WE ELECT and who WORK FOR US to a regular, dime a dozen grand jury, PARTICULARLY as it relates to IMPEACHMENT. Let's be 100%: impeachment overturns an election and circumvents the will of the people, it's a very extreme and drastic measure to regulate a public official's conduct regarding their power and involves the people WE ELECT as the grand jury per se, prosecutor, and jury per se. Because of the latter aspect of impeachment, those conducting the inquiry should not only uphold the Rodino Precedent but be as transparent as possible too. Otherwise, we convert ourselves to a banana republic. It's like the Dems don't even know the precedent they're setting and think this is all a game, this is the POLITICAL DEATH PENALTY and should be treated as such.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 3:37 pm to TigerDoc
Doc, what would you prefer?
Scenario 1: LSU wins the next 2 national titles. trump is not removed from office, and runs in 2020. Outcome unknown
Scenario 2: LSU does not win next 2 titles, trump is removed. Pence runs and 2020 is “very close” without knowing any other details
Scenario 1: LSU wins the next 2 national titles. trump is not removed from office, and runs in 2020. Outcome unknown
Scenario 2: LSU does not win next 2 titles, trump is removed. Pence runs and 2020 is “very close” without knowing any other details
Posted on 10/24/19 at 3:38 pm to TigerDoc
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conditioning congressionally-appropriated funds on a public announcement of an investigation of an opponent
This is a FLAT-OUT LIE, people like YOU are the reason Americans are getting dumber
Posted on 10/24/19 at 3:38 pm to PhDoogan
I don't think they're violating anything. The Constitution is vague in defining how the House conducts impeachment. As Deathandtaxes mentioned, the Watergate Congress investigated 6 months before they formally passed an impeachment resolution.
And what would you see them legitimately empowered to do if they passed formal impeachment that they're not doing now? The House has been holding closed-doors sessions on Russia for two years. The Senate too.
And what would you see them legitimately empowered to do if they passed formal impeachment that they're not doing now? The House has been holding closed-doors sessions on Russia for two years. The Senate too.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 3:40 pm to SoulBrotha91
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This is a FLAT-OUT LIE
Don't accuse me. Accuse the deep state apparently bearing false witness against GEOTUS.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 3:41 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Gimme Pence.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 3:43 pm to TigerDoc
See, I think a lot of trump haters would take their team winning 2 straight titles over removing a president they dislike who only has 1 year left, with a disliked vp taking over and pursuing same agenda.
If I were in your shoes, I’d take the titles
If I were in your shoes, I’d take the titles
This post was edited on 10/24/19 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 10/24/19 at 3:44 pm to TigerDoc
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GEOTUS and his 2 or 3 channel approach to Ukraine, conditioning congressionally-appropriated funds on a public announcement of an investigation of an opponent.
Goddamn you are retarded
Posted on 10/24/19 at 3:45 pm to Mickey Goldmill
He's an alt leftist like you IRL. Good choice to represent you. 
Posted on 10/24/19 at 3:47 pm to TigerDoc
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I don't think they're violating anything. The Constitution is vague in defining how the House conducts impeachment. As Deathandtaxes mentioned, the Watergate Congress investigated 6 months before they formally passed an impeachment resolution.
So you think that the word House of Representatives can be interpreted to mean Speaker of the House, that an "impeachment inquiry" is not "conducting business" under the Quorum clause and that historical precedent over the past 200+ years for commencing impeachment inquiries with a house past resolution can be disregarded for the sole reason of politically protecting vulnerable house members?
I guess you didn't check my citations or bother to read what I posted.
Posted on 10/24/19 at 3:49 pm to PhDoogan
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So you think that the word House of Representatives can be interpreted to mean Speaker of the House, that an "impeachment inquiry" is not "conducting business" under the Quorum clause and that historical precedent over the past 200+ years for commencing impeachment inquiries with a house past resolution can be disregarded for the sole reason of politically protecting vulnerable house members?
Yeah, all this is a very bad precedent to set and I wouldn't be surprised if Trump takes this all the way to the Supreme Court. The dude sued the NFL when he was an owner in the USFL, doing this is all normal business for him.
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