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For anyone who thinks "government shutdowns" are a recent phenomenon, it's not...
Posted on 1/20/18 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 1/20/18 at 6:53 pm
There were FIVE federal goverment shutdowns during Jimmy Carter's four years as President.
Three of those shutdowns happened in one year, 1977, for a total of 28 days.
The 1978 shutdown lasted 18 days.
And the Democrat Party controlled both houses of congress all 4 years that Carter was in office.
This, too, shall pass.
Three of those shutdowns happened in one year, 1977, for a total of 28 days.
The 1978 shutdown lasted 18 days.
And the Democrat Party controlled both houses of congress all 4 years that Carter was in office.
This, too, shall pass.
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Posted on 1/20/18 at 6:54 pm to LSURussian
I don’t think anyone thinks that.
And it’s always annoying when politicians don’t do the job(s) they were elected to do.
Same as it ever was.
And it’s always annoying when politicians don’t do the job(s) they were elected to do.
Same as it ever was.
Posted on 1/20/18 at 6:59 pm to EKG
quote:A poster earlier today was asking why we were having these shutdowns now when we didn't have them previously. So, yeah, someone thinks that.
I don’t think anyone thinks that.
Posted on 1/20/18 at 7:02 pm to LSURussian
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A poster earlier today was asking why we were having these shutdowns now when we didn't have them previously. So, yeah, someone thinks that.
I had a discussion today with a group of people who were saying it was a "new" thing. I mentioned the Jimmy Carter period. I must admit that I did not remember them (I was a kid then) and had only read about them during the last shutdown.
Posted on 1/20/18 at 7:49 pm to LSURussian
From memory Clinton had at least one.
In Carter’s case I can see him pissing off his own party enough to have multiple shutdowns.
In Carter’s case I can see him pissing off his own party enough to have multiple shutdowns.
Posted on 1/20/18 at 7:56 pm to LSURussian
If it means Congress getting off their arse and actually passing legislation instead of waiting on pissed off presidents to use EOs to do everything then I'm good with it.
Sometime, you gotta get a little shite on your shoes.
Sometime, you gotta get a little shite on your shoes.
Posted on 1/20/18 at 8:23 pm to LSURussian
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Jimmy Carter’s attorney general set up the current guidelines for a government shut down.
It’s not accurate to equate Jimmy Carter’s shutdowns to later shut downs. The current procedure we have in place was instated AFTER jimmy carters 5 shut downs.
Jimmy Carter’s attorney general set up the current guidelines for a government shut down.
It’s not accurate to equate Jimmy Carter’s shutdowns to later shut downs. The current procedure we have in place was instated AFTER jimmy carters 5 shut downs.
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As Jimmy Carter’s attorney general, Civiletti was asked for a legal opinion parsing out what exactly the federal bureaucracy is supposed to do when Congress doesn’t pass a budget by deadline.
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The “legal authority for continued operations either exists or it does not,” he writes. And to those who argue that federal agency operations ought to carry on even without appropriated funds because Congress doesn’t mean for the government to shutdown, he responded thusly: “Faithful execution of the laws cannot rest on mere speculation that Congress does not want the Executive branch to carry out Congress’ unambiguous mandates.”
Posted on 1/20/18 at 8:41 pm to Bison
quote:I realize you crave appearing intelligent but you've failed at it again.
It’s not accurate to equate Jimmy Carter’s shutdowns to later shut downs.
The shutdowns under Carter worked the same as the one now.
The only difference was a legal opinion in Carter's last year in office (not a law) said shutdowns were legal.
Shut up. Thanks.
Posted on 1/20/18 at 8:56 pm to LSURussian
You are wrong.
Government Employees where not sent home and they were not denied pay during the jimmy carter shut downs. Offices continued to operate under the premise that congress would eventually pass a budget. The opinion was not law, you are correct but it defined the shutdown procedure that we follow today.
Duurrr, I know it’s really important for you to sound intelligent and you crave it but you have failed.
Government Employees where not sent home and they were not denied pay during the jimmy carter shut downs. Offices continued to operate under the premise that congress would eventually pass a budget. The opinion was not law, you are correct but it defined the shutdown procedure that we follow today.
Duurrr, I know it’s really important for you to sound intelligent and you crave it but you have failed.
Posted on 1/20/18 at 8:59 pm to Bison
I'm right. No federal employees now will lose pay. It's a paid vacation for them.
There's no difference.
There's no difference.
Posted on 1/20/18 at 10:22 pm to LSURussian
quote:
I'm right. No federal employees now will lose pay. It's a paid vacation for them.
Bingo!!
I am a federal employee. In 2013 when they shutdown the government I was freaking out about not getting paid. We were off for 14 days. Only effect it had on my pay was that one paycheck (get paid biweekly) was for just 1 week. then the next paycheck we got paid for the 2 weeks we were off. Never lost a penny in the long run.
This time I'm not sweating a thing.. Congress can have their dick measuring contest and Ill enjoy my paid time off.
Posted on 1/21/18 at 10:48 am to LSURussian
I'm bumping this thread for Rex who is trying to lie his way through the current government shutdown claiming it's the first time in history a government shutdown has happened when one party controls the White House and has a majority in both houses of congress.
You're wrong, Rexie Poo.
You're wrong, Rexie Poo.
Posted on 1/21/18 at 10:56 am to LSURussian
The incidences you cite under Carter were not shutdowns. No government functions were shut down and no government workers were sent home nor denied pay.
Posted on 1/21/18 at 11:08 am to Rex
Rex, you've gone from making an error to just outright lying about it.
USAToday-January 19, 2018
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The Ghost of Shutdowns Past Haunts Latest Talks to Keep the Federal Government Open
Duration: 18 days. Started Sept. 30, 1978, ended Oct. 18, 1978
Democrat Jimmy Carter was president, and his party held majorities in both the House and the Senate. Yet the Democrats’ solid grip on government was not enough to avert a government shutdown. The standoff escalated when Carter vetoed a defense bill that included funding for a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier and public works legislation that included funding for various water projects. Carter considered those projects wasteful spending. On top of that, funding for the Department of Health, Education and Welfare was delayed because of a dispute involving Medicaid funding for abortion.
Duration: 12 days. Started Sept. 30, 1977, ended Oct. 13, 1977
Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate, but could not agree on the use of Medicaid funding for abortion.
House Democrats wanted to continue a ban on using Medicaid to pay for abortions, except in cases when the mother’s life was in jeopardy. Senate Democrats wanted funding to be allowed in cases of rape or incest. The impasse ended up shutting down the government when the issue became linked to funding for the Department of Labor and the Department of Health, Education and Welfare.
USAToday-January 19, 2018
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quote:CNN
According to The Washington Post, federal agents came to some regional offices with an order for employees to cease operations.
Without funds, the FTC closed its doors to confusion and frustration among its over 1,000 employees on May 1, 1980.
This post was edited on 1/21/18 at 11:18 am
Posted on 1/21/18 at 11:10 am to LSURussian
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Rex, you've gone from making an error to just outright lying about it.
Shocking.
Posted on 1/21/18 at 11:11 am to LSURussian
Government likes shutdowns cause they all get a bunch of paid days off, at our expense of course.
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