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re: For all you anti-immigrant types...
Posted on 6/28/14 at 12:06 am to JazzyJeff
Posted on 6/28/14 at 12:06 am to JazzyJeff
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This is only for white people from Europe I guess and not those brown people from down south.
Anti-Immigrants are Anti-American. Read again if you must.
Coming to America to become an American and have that loyalty is one thing.
Coming to America and fashioning it after the country you came from and maintain your loyalty and identity to that country is something very different. Grew up in Texas; saw that everyday.
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Posted on 6/28/14 at 12:06 am to wfeliciana
quote:Those are novelty tourist traps and have been for some time
Right. That's why you have so many "Chinatowns" and "Little Italys" in US cities.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 12:08 am to northshorebamaman
quote:Oh. I remember. You said the Army. And I was just curious and wasn't trying to make a point...at that time!
You were attempting to make some sort of point by asking me what branch I served in. I responded and you abandoned thread.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 12:08 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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Those are novelty tourist traps and have been for some time
C'mon GL--they were not originally, they were enclaves of ethnic groups. Just like you have Latino areas now.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 12:14 am to wfeliciana
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C'mon GL--they were not originally, they were enclaves of ethnic groups. Just like you have Latino areas now.
The difference is those groups are much more localized and the stream of immigration is far less. I don't think people are concerned with neighborhood and districts looking like they should exist in some other country, it's the threat of entire cities turning into that sort of thing that is troubling, ie Laredo.
I truly think the "anti-immigration" crowd is not concerned about race or ethnicity. It's loyalty to the US that Americans want and is what is harder to see in more Hispanic dominant areas.
This post was edited on 6/28/14 at 12:16 am
Posted on 6/28/14 at 12:16 am to wfeliciana
yeah, and in a few years, maybe decades, the latinos will do the same thing.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 12:22 am to ClydeFrog
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I truly think the "anti-immigration" crowd is not concerned about race or ethnicity. It's loyalty to the US that Americans want and is what is harder to see in more Hispanic dominant areas.
May be. But I think that has always been true. I bet it was said about the Italians, the Irish, etc. Look at the Germans, Italians, and Chinese US citizens during WW 2, stuck in camps while their brothers, fathers and husbands actually fought for the US. That's an extreme example I know, but my point is we've always wondered if they are really "American". Only for all of us our ancestors were at one time the Theys that we doubted.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 12:23 am to ClydeFrog
quote:How many Hispanics have served and died in America's fake war on terror? No idea?
It's loyalty to the US that Americans want and is what is harder to see in more Hispanic dominant areas.
Let me help.
Just a tad over 10% of the casualty rate were Hispanic and 6% of those wounded were Hispanic.
So much for your they aren't loyal to America BS.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 12:25 am to JazzyJeff
terrible logic, as was the basis for your thread as it is at its core a fallacy. have a wonderful evening, friend :)
Posted on 6/28/14 at 1:54 am to JazzyJeff
As moving as The Statue of Liberty's inscription may be and how ever eloquent its expression of lofty sentiments-It's not the Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, the Bill of Rights nor any of the various statutes pertaining to legal immigration into this country.
As an aside, I am assuming that it is not necessary to revisit the often tough treatment white European immigrants received at the hands of native born Americans. Few were welcomed with open arms and all struggled to assimilate and be assimilated. Though illegal, this wave is being treated, insofar as resources allow, like royalty in comparison.
What is happening on our southern border is, in my opinion, not so much a case of unintended consequences resulting from a misunderstood executive order, but a thoughtful and intentional plan to swamp the borders and the agencies charged with protecting them in order to force the issue of amnesty to a head. That the tool used for this human wave of illegals would be children being put a great risk of harm should not surprise anyone familiar with the methods and tactics of the current Democratic administration.
Their ends always justify their means. If this is dangerous even when intentions are noble, how much more dangerous when intent is illegal or ignoble at the core?
As an aside, I am assuming that it is not necessary to revisit the often tough treatment white European immigrants received at the hands of native born Americans. Few were welcomed with open arms and all struggled to assimilate and be assimilated. Though illegal, this wave is being treated, insofar as resources allow, like royalty in comparison.
What is happening on our southern border is, in my opinion, not so much a case of unintended consequences resulting from a misunderstood executive order, but a thoughtful and intentional plan to swamp the borders and the agencies charged with protecting them in order to force the issue of amnesty to a head. That the tool used for this human wave of illegals would be children being put a great risk of harm should not surprise anyone familiar with the methods and tactics of the current Democratic administration.
Their ends always justify their means. If this is dangerous even when intentions are noble, how much more dangerous when intent is illegal or ignoble at the core?
Posted on 6/28/14 at 2:11 am to JazzyJeff
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Anti-Immigrants are Anti-American. Read again if you must.
social welfare programs were unamerican when that epitaph was written. you can have open immigration or a welfare state
you can choose one
i choose open immigration. that means we need to work on our welfare state first
Posted on 6/28/14 at 2:20 am to JazzyJeff
This is the way I see it: Nearly 13 years ago, the U.S. was attacked. Regardless of what people believe regarding who was behind that attack, we have been very fortunate to not have had a similar or worse incident since. Do you think it's time for this country to let its guard down? Do you think that the ones behind the 9/11 incident, or maybe some other idiot/s might be looking for the perfect opportunity to pull another stunt? Don't you think if we can see ourselves being distracted and negligent with our vigilance, that perhaps so can our enemies?
This post was edited on 6/28/14 at 6:42 am
Posted on 6/28/14 at 2:23 am to Porky
It's really very simple. We have a process for legal immigration, however screwed up it is now, for a reason. The country and our tax based cannot support an influx of this sort. Fix the legal immigration process, shut down illegals immigration and everyone is happy.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 2:38 am to LSUGrrrl
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It's really very simple. We have a process for legal immigration, however screwed up it is now, for a reason. The country and our tax based cannot support an influx of this sort. Fix the legal immigration process, shut down illegals immigration and everyone is happy.
You're absolutely right. That's exactly why the things that are presently taking place on our border in regard to immigration is gross negligence which rips at the very fabric of reason for what we have spent many years in establishing.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 2:52 am to Porky
Why do we need immigration anymore? Seriously in the early years America needed the immigrant numbers for a sustainable Country. What do we get out of the deal now? We don't need numbers, except in a few situations that require specialty labor expertise. Is it imperative to allow immigration according to what law? Not a matter of whom is allowed or for what reasons, ethnicity, or otherwise, all things being equal what is the benefit?
This post was edited on 6/28/14 at 6:25 am
Posted on 6/28/14 at 3:19 am to LaFlyer
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Why do we need immigration anymore? Seriously in the early years America needed the immigrant numbers for a sustainable Country. What do we get out of the deal now? We don't need numbers, except in a few situations don't need specialty labor expertise. Is it imperative to allow immigration according to what law? Not a matter of whom is allowed or for what reasons, ethnicity, or otherwise, all things being equal what is the benefit?
I'm not against immigration. But there is a proper protocol that's not being followed and reasonable laws that are being ignored. It's like having a crack in a levee but instead of making repairs and fortifying the structure, we decide to blast huge holes in it in order to help those drowning on the other side.
There are just thousands of more intelligent ways to go about it.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 4:27 am to JazzyJeff
So you want America to return to form from when this creed was relevant? You must really hate poor people, blacks, & Asians.
Anyone who cannot see that open borders combined with our welfare state is simply unsustainable is a waste of time
Anyone who cannot see that open borders combined with our welfare state is simply unsustainable is a waste of time
This post was edited on 6/28/14 at 4:34 am
Posted on 6/28/14 at 4:59 am to Hmerly
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U are dumb
This has been established long ago. I only wished he had lived up to his pledge to quit posting.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 5:00 am to JazzyJeff
That's all well and good except that these days they aren't "yearning to breathe free", they are yearning for free stuff.
Posted on 6/28/14 at 5:25 am to JazzyJeff
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I've been all over the place here today spreading my particular brand of moronic bullshite.
Fixed.
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