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Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:31 am to cahoots
Backfire on the establishment....
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:33 am to cahoots
You pushed the narrative forward for sure.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:39 am to cahoots
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but can't we objectively say that this guy is a bad candidate outside of everything going on around him?
easily.
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Do you really want this guy to be the face of the anti-establishment movement?
i think he's going to fade into obscurity, like cliven bundy
that's kind of the thing with anti-establishment faces/movements, there isn't just one (b/c then it becomes the establishment)
think high school. you have your skaters, and your goths, and the thugs, and the nerds and the drama kids
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:39 am to cahoots
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but can't we objectively say that this guy is a bad candidate outside of everything going on around him? Do you really want this guy to be the face of the anti-establishment movement? I genuinely think this could backfire if he gets elected.
This doesn't make sense. Yes, Moore is a fricking douche and sounds like a retarded douche. However, he is going to win, and all his stupid arse needs to do is vote against the establishment a couple of times. I somehow think he can muster that. Is there anyone else on the radar that can do that?
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:55 am to MrCarton
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However, he is going to win, and all his stupid arse needs to do is vote against the establishment a couple of times. I somehow think he can muster that. Is there anyone else on the radar that can do that?
I'm talking more about optics and long-term prospects. He's an easy target for becoming the redneck evangelical firecracker sexual deviant poster boy of the Republican party. He's a bunch of stereotypes rolled into one. Is his anti-establishment credential worth that risk?
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:56 am to cahoots
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I'm talking more about optics and long-term prospects. He's an easy target for becoming the redneck evangelical firecracker sexual deviant poster boy of the Republican party. He's a bunch of stereotypes rolled into one.
Yeah, well the beauty is that all this slime will stick to the GOP, and the anti establishment voters and activists will move on to another anti GOP/establishment personality. Moore is a tool for them, nothing more, nothing less.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:57 am to cahoots
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Is his anti-establishment credential worth that risk?
you act as if the GOP can do anything else to stop him
the members in major positions of fedgov have almost universally come out against him
the party itself has removed its funding and support
the next step is killing him, basically
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:59 am to MrCarton
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and the anti establishment voters and activists will move on to another anti GOP/establishment personality.
the GOP is so fractured right now there are like 4 other "anti-establishment" groups
you have the GOPe like Mitch, RINOs like McCain, the religious southern guys, the Freedom Caucus, the Trumpkins, etc
there are tons of "anti-establishment" groups already in the GOP. adding one more with a population of 1 won't be a big deal
Posted on 11/15/17 at 9:00 am to cahoots
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Moore can barely string together two coherent sentences. He's controversial, but not in an intelligible Steve Bannon kind of way. Trump didn't support him before and isn't really supporting him now. There's a narrative about the establishment wanting nothing to do with him (mostly true), but can't we objectively say that this guy is a bad candidate outside of everything going on around him? Do you really want this guy to be the face of the anti-establishment movement? I genuinely think this could backfire if he gets elected
Look at some of the dumbasses Alabama voters have elected. Do you rationally expect a logical response from any of them? You had the one elected official who not only defended him but tried to compare him to Mary and Joseph, for frick's sake. So no, there are those who will never admit he's a bad candidate. The fact that he was removed from office twice, yet they still support him, is evidence of that. Then throw in the fact that he advocates throwing people in jail for violating "God's law"...or at least the laws that don't touch his own personal vices.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 9:01 am to BamaGradinTn
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Look at some of the dumbasses Alabama voters have elected.
this whole expose on Alabama politicians kind of indirectly makes Jeff Sessions look moderate, intelligent, and perhaps amazing
Posted on 11/15/17 at 9:02 am to SlowFlowPro
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you act as if the GOP can do anything else to stop him
Oh no you're right they can't do much else. I guess I'm saying that if I were an anti-estblishment conservative, I probably wouldn't cheer for him to him the election.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 9:04 am to MrCarton
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Do you really want this guy to be the face of the anti-establishment movement?
I wouldn't trust his stupid, arrogant arse with a vote to confirm a SCOTUS nominee...especially after having been removed from office for defying SCOTUS rulings.
Moore is an arrogant enough prick that you could easily see hijacking a solid conservative nomination just for his own self interests.
This post was edited on 11/15/17 at 9:15 am
Posted on 11/15/17 at 9:04 am to MrCarton
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Yeah, well the beauty is that all this slime will stick to the GOP, and the anti establishment voters and activists will move on to another anti GOP/establishment personality. Moore is a tool for them, nothing more, nothing less.
Yeah but he's a pawn for the left and the media. More than anyone else I can think of. It's a one step forward, two steps back situation.
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Posted on 11/15/17 at 9:07 am to cahoots
there is also the chance that the DEMs and their coordinated media focus too much on Moore and are forced to not cover other stuff
Moore could function as an accidental Trojan Horse for the larger GOP if they overplay their hand
Moore could function as an accidental Trojan Horse for the larger GOP if they overplay their hand
Posted on 11/15/17 at 9:07 am to cahoots
He was a terrible candidate from the beginning. Why he was chosen to be a standard bearer among conservatives I'll never know.
Guys like this are the Republican equivalents of the Maxine Waters et al. They are entertaining and throw red meat, but that's not really why we have elected officials.
Guys like this are the Republican equivalents of the Maxine Waters et al. They are entertaining and throw red meat, but that's not really why we have elected officials.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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you have the GOPe like Mitch, RINOs like McCain, the religious southern guys, the Freedom Caucus, the Trumpkins, etc
there are tons of "anti-establishment" groups already in the GOP. adding one more with a population of 1 won't be a big deal
You are looking at it backwards. Adding one more GOPe member is a big deal. Who cares what group Moore falls into, as long as it isn't GOPe.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 9:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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there is also the chance that the DEMs and their coordinated media focus too much on Moore and are forced to not cover other stuff
That sounds like a silver lining more than a good reason for him to be elected. I think the cons outweigh the pros. JMO
Posted on 11/15/17 at 9:14 am to BamaGradinTn
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I wouldn't trust his stupid, arrogant arse with a vote to confirm a SCOTUS nominee...especially after having been removed from office for defying SCOTUS rulings.
Moore is an arrogant enough prick that you could easily see him hijacking a solid conservative nomination just for his own self interests.
Ok, given wildly different circumstances in which there are other non GOPe candidates available, you arguments would be strong. However, there are not. The choices are between "establishment cucks" and pretend cowboy retard Moore. To make matters worse, Washington is trying to get into the state election and voters are seeing that and it's pushing them to rebel and support Moore.
I'm not a Moore guy, I'm just telling you what the thought process and strategy is.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 9:15 am to SlowFlowPro
The GOPe are the RINO’s. Two words for the same people.
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