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re: Florida To Begin Sentencing Pedophiles to Death – Democrats Outraged
Posted on 1/29/23 at 1:56 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 1/29/23 at 1:56 pm to AggieHank86
I don't care what their risk level is. It's a piss poor deterrent for fricking up kids.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 1:56 pm to cssamerican
quote:True.
A guillotine is even cheaper than low-security prison, and has a zero repeat offender rate. It’s very effective.
Again, SCOTUS has already said that this is not an option. (A GOP-appointed SCOTUS, by the way.)
Posted on 1/29/23 at 1:57 pm to AggieHank86
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The data that I have seen says that they are NOT problematic prisoners.
The data you have is generic, and doesn't deal with individuals who may be a risk to society.
Unless you think all pedos are not problematic prisoners. Which I don't even think youre that socially retarded,
Posted on 1/29/23 at 1:58 pm to El Segundo Guy
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I don't care what their risk level
I go by potential to damage. They're at the same level as a murderer to me.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 1:59 pm to El Segundo Guy
quote:We are discussing this in the context of "life without parole," but just in a low-security environment.
I don't care what their risk level is. It's a piss poor deterrent for fricking up kids.
If we were discussing a 3-year (or 10-year) sentence, the analysis would be entirely different.
Do you not consider life in prison (with NOT possibility of release) to be a deterrent?
Posted on 1/29/23 at 2:00 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
" but just in a low-security environment.
Why should child rapists automatically be put in min security?
Posted on 1/29/23 at 2:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:You are describing ALL statistical analysis.
The data you have is generic, and doesn't deal with individuals who may be a risk to society.
If your position is that the State should retain the option to place an individual child molester in a high-security environment, you will not get any argument from me.
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 1/29/23 at 2:02 pm to AggieHank86
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Well, you did not say that, but please do expound. What "risk" do they pose WHILE IN PRISON
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Using California's Megan's Law website, the Daily Mail found that there were more than 7,000 sex offenders convicted of "lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14 years of age," but released from prison in under a year of being convicted.
"Letting these people out early, we're allowing for a lot more victimization. And that's terrifying," Dordulian added.
Additionally, the report found that predators convicted of continuous sexual abuse of a child spent less than a year in prison, as well as three cases of convicts who kidnapped kids under 14 "with intent to commit lewd or lascivious acts," and nearly 40 cases of sodomy with a child under 16.
The investigation examined 54,986 sex offenders listed on the Megan’s Law website as of July 2019 and found 76% of the offenders committed crimes involving kids. The data was determined by comparing the published dates of a pedophile’s conviction versus their release date.
Convicted pedophiles spend an average of two years and 10 months in prison, according to the report.
California releases thousands of pedophiles less than year after their convictions, data shows
Posted on 1/29/23 at 2:03 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
You are describing ALL statistical analysis.
Correct, so why is your base line minimum security?
Its a rhetorical question, everyone knows.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 2:04 pm to UncleFestersLegs
quote:That is all very interesting, and I suspect that everyone involved in this discussion was already aware of it.
UncleFestersLegs
It does not REMOTELY address their behavior IN PRISON, as prisoners.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 2:05 pm to AggieHank86
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If your position is that the State should retain the option to place an individual child molester in a high-security environment,
No, why do you default to min security for people who frick up children for life?
Posted on 1/29/23 at 2:06 pm to UncleFestersLegs
quote:Need more prisons and mandatory sentencing.
Convicted pedophiles spend an average of two years and 10 months in prison, according to the report
Posted on 1/29/23 at 2:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Because statistically they are NOT problem prisoners. Statistically, they are good candidates for low- or medium-security facilities, because they do NOT cause problems in prison and do NOT attempt escape.quote:Correct, so why is your base line minimum security?
You are describing ALL statistical analysis.
Again, it makes perfect sense to use a higher-security option for a prisoner who is likely to buck the trends.
Why are you struggling with this concept? It is not rocket science.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 2:09 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Why are you struggling with this concept? It is not rocket science.
They should be put in whichever prison population poses the greatest threat of
killing them. It’s not rocket science.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 2:10 pm to AggieHank86
quote:that they are getting out in less than a year is quite a bit more relevant than their behavior in prison
It does not REMOTELY address their behavior IN PRISON, as prisoners.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 2:11 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Because statistically they are NOT problem prisoners
You think that remains the same if sentenced to life in min security? frick no it doesn.t.
Statistically, one escape can lead to generations of more children being traumatized for life.
Some off us care more for children than those who rape them
Child rapists should never have a chance to be free again. Lock them away securely.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 2:11 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:AGAIN, if we accept the premise that the PURPOSE of prison is to protect the citizenry, it is the obligation of the State to fulfill that purpose in a way that does not constitute an unnecessary waste of taxpayer resources.
why do you default to min security for people who frick up children for life?
IOW, if the State can provide the citizenry with EXACTLY the same level of protection from Prisoner-X at a cost of $5k per year in low-security or at a cost of $50k per year in high-security (both hypothetical figures), it is the obligation of the State as a fiduciary for taxpayers to provide that same level of protection at the lower cost.
I am not a fan of $5,000 hammers when a $5 hammer will do the job, and I am not a fan of spending a fortune to keep a docile prisoner in solitary confinement, when he can be kept in a lower-security facility for a fraction of the cost.
But you do you.
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 1/29/23 at 2:16 pm to bamadontcare
quote:If you have no problem with extra-judicial executions with the full acquiescence of the State, I suppose not.
They should be put in whichever prison population poses the greatest threat of killing them. It’s not rocket science.
You and I obviously have very different aspirations for the morality and integrity of State actors.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 2:16 pm to AggieHank86
AGAIN, if we accept the premise that the PURPOSE of prison is to protect the
Preventing recidivism should save a shite load of money.
There should be absolutely minimum risk of escape or offending while in prison
Lock them.in solitary, your offenders will be safe there..
Preds need to know prison is hard. Do you disagree?
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citizenry, it is the obligation of the State to fulfill that purpose in a way that does not constitute an unnecessary waste of taxpayer resources.
Preventing recidivism should save a shite load of money.
There should be absolutely minimum risk of escape or offending while in prison
Lock them.in solitary, your offenders will be safe there..
Preds need to know prison is hard. Do you disagree?
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 2:23 pm
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