re: Florida principal reassigned after he told parent he 'can't say the Holocaust is a factual

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reliable information regarding the holocaust

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This isn't a thing. The "holocaust" is a brand, it's not something that "reliable information" has any relation with.

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A big example of this are people who claim their grandfather liberated death camps. No Americans liberated any death camps - the Russians did.

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This kind of parsing raises a red flag with me. Surely you don't deny American troops liberated Buchenwald and Dachau.

If we're going to parse the difference between concentration camps where folks died by the droves due to the abject evil of the Nazis from the extermination camps where folks were killed by the droves directly by the abject evil of the Nazis, then I'm not sure we're doing anything other than attempting to find flaw with anything.

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Examples are those who say the nazis turned some jews into items like lampshades and soap, both of which aren't true, but people believe it to this day anyway.

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So, confiscation of everything they owned, killing them through a variety of methods - working to death, neglect, starvation, intentional murder, etc., that's okay if they didn't make Jews into lampshades and soap?

Ummm. Okay, I guess.

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For me, I think the 6 million figure for the death toll is exaggerated.

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You know how we're able to estimate fairly closely? Because the Jews of Europe were gone. And the Nazis kept meticulously detailed records. It was their nature.

So, we know, for a fact:

1. The Holocaust happened. We have records, physical evidence, dead bodies and eyewitness accounts.

2. The 6 million for the Jews are based on reasonable estimates based on pre-war census figures and the fact that most of the Jews from the territories Germany occupied during the war were killed. Some got out, but we have reasonable estimates on that.

3. The variable numbers come, largely, from non-Jewish victims of the Holocaust (Roma and Gypsies for whom there are poor estimates of pre- and post-war numbers exist) and for the Jewish victims of areas like the occupied portions of the Soviet Union. In addition, we'll never know how many Soviet POWs or even Soviet civilians were swept up in the Holocaust because Stalin also, without question, killed so many of his own folks and tried to blame Hitler.


I mean, why is it so hard to believe that 6 million were killed? You concerned about the scope (the "How is it possible" factor?) Remember that 3 to 4 percent of the entire world's population was killed, heavily concentrated in Europe. The fact that the Germans were really good at killing people should be no surprise.

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All of Europe had food shortages after the war. Not just the US camps for German surrenderers.

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In other words there were a lot of imprisoned German soldiers who starved to death primarily because the war they had waged on Europe decimated the crops that would have otherwise fed them?

Sounds a bit like karma.

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Historical census data indicates there were nowhere near 6 million Jews in Europe.

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Meh - there were 6ish million Jews living in Poland and the Soviet Union, alone, in 1939. And at least another million between the Baltics, Hungary and Romania.

And at least another half million in Germany, Holland, Czechoslovakia and France.

So, that's 7 1/2 million right there. Assuming half a million escaped and 1 million Soviet Jews lived in the non-European part (no way it was that many), that's 6 million right there.

There was at least another 1/4 million Jews living in other countries occupied by Germany.


So, there were definitely more than 6 million European Jews.

Where do you guys get this stuff from?

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If we're going to parse the difference between concentration camps where folks died by the droves due to the abject evil of the Nazis from the extermination camps where folks were killed by the droves directly by the abject evil of the Nazis, then I'm not sure we're doing anything other than attempting to find flaw with anything.

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Correct . Does to really matter if innocent people where sent to a "Death Camps" or "Transitional Housing Camps" where they suffered greatly and died. This entire back and forth on definition of what is a death camp, extermination center or work camp is ludicrous. All of them led to unbelievable volume of human suffering simply based on a religious belief.

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A big example of this are people who claim their grandfather liberated death camps. No Americans liberated any death camps - the Russians did. 

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Know what you are talking about before you step off in it. Americans liberated Dachau, Buchenwald and Mauthausen among others.

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He didn’t say that he personally can’t say it is factual or doesn’t believe it is factual, but that some people say it isn’t, meaning he has to deal with those nutcase parents as well.

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Either he doesn't believe it happened or he doesn't have the balls to tell someone that the most well-documented large-scale attempt at genocide in history didn't occur. Either way he has no business being an administrator of anything.

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The only important point was that Gentiles persecuted Jews.

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And Roma, Gypsies, Slavs, etc.

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The actual details of this or any other atrocity are really immaterial.

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What details are really important? The lampshades and soap part? The precise number?

Or the fact that some folks think it was a big frame up and that all the Jews (that apparently didn't exist to be killed) are playing some kind of multi-generational hide and seek?

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And Roma, Gypsies, Slavs, etc.

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Negative. Not important. Literally nobody ever gave a shite about any of this, least of all the Holocaust brand.

The important part is that evil German Gentiles slayed Jews, and for that, Europeans must be reconstructed.