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re: Fed Employees being paid for not working
Posted on 2/1/25 at 4:04 pm to deeprig9
Posted on 2/1/25 at 4:04 pm to deeprig9
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It's common in the private sector.
I've seen other people on this forum claim severance payments are common in the private sector but I would say it's common for salaried and some union employees.
I worked in the private sector for over 45 years, in small, medium and large corporations and not one of those companies offered a severance to hourly employees upon voluntary or involuntary termination. Terminated hourly employees generally received their last paycheck and any vacation they had earned, if they were lucky some got a check for floating holidays and PDO time.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 4:09 pm to Chazreinhold
Cost of doing business to make America great again.
They can't do any damage sitting on their couch.
Yes, there are laws & regs. He can't just fire them.
They can't do any damage sitting on their couch.
Yes, there are laws & regs. He can't just fire them.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 4:25 pm to Bass Tiger
How many fedgov employees do you think are paid on a timecard basis?
Posted on 2/1/25 at 4:42 pm to Chazreinhold
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What is the rationale behind the Trump Administration's decision to pay federal employees 8 to 9 months of salary while they are not working—especially those who already had planned to retire or resign—and why is this benefit being offered before mandating a return to the office and laying off employees during their probationary period?
Is it because there is some sort of Law on the books protecting them?
It's simple. The President doesn't have as much power as you folks have been led to believe.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 4:42 pm to This GUN for HIRE
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Cost of doing business to make America great again.
They can't do any damage sitting on their couch.
Yes, there are laws & regs. He can't just fire them.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 4:43 pm to Mizzoufan26
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And not sitting the areas I listed
English, do you speak it?
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you stupid twat
1 finger pointed at me, and 3 back at yourself, very appropriate in this case
so, what I have gathered from all that is out there is that not all areas are affected or even eligible
from Google AI:
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The FAQ clarified that deferred resignation is open to all full-time federal employees, with exceptions for military, U.S. Postal Service, immigration enforcement and national security, and positions that are specifically excluded by agencies.
I do not for one minute buy into your assertion that qualified people (within government or the ranks of qualified contractors) will be forced out that require replacements that are difficult to find
in fact; it looks like many (if not most) of the private contracts are riddled with excessive and unnecessary bloat
the gravy train is being derailed — sorry (not sorry) you aren’t happy about it
Posted on 2/1/25 at 4:43 pm to Chazreinhold
Severance pay is OK with me....always happens with reduction of force
Posted on 2/1/25 at 5:01 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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quote:it will save tremendous $$ in the long term
The frick it will.
really?
let’s play a fun game that, just for fun, I will call “simple math”
Let’s say that a Lazy Fed Employee (LFE) makes $120,000 a year
Let’s assume that LFE accepts Trump’s generous offer and gets paid $80,000 to quit and not work
That just cost us $80,000
Let’s take just a 2 year time frame after that ;which is unfair, as most LFE’s will likely stay much longer than that)
That would equal $240,000 in LFE salary funded by the taxpayers (people like me)
The taxpayer saves $160,000 in salary! $240,000 - ($120,000*2/3 = $160,000)
The numbers will actually be far higher than that, since most will work far longer than 2 years
Sure, the saving will be skewed by many LFE’s that were going to retire soon anyway; but that number is unquantifiable; and will be overshadowed by those LFE’s that quit in frustration with the new administration
You can talk about retirement benefits and/or pensions; but those were obligations already on the books and it is not really al that much
according to Google AI:
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Federal employees who retire under the Federal Employee Retirement System (FERS) typically receive 1% of their average salary for each year of service. If they retire at age 62 or older with at least 20 years of service, they receive 1.1% of their average salary for each year of service
so, yes, it will save tremendous $$
thanks for playing
Posted on 2/1/25 at 5:02 pm to Chazreinhold
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Fed Employees being paid for not working
Elon may drug test them
Posted on 2/1/25 at 5:08 pm to dcbl
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really?
Yes.
Unfortunately for you, you're talking out of your arse. The math actually is fairly simple, but not in the way you think.
Your problem is that you think work won't still need to get done. It will, except now, it'll be done by a contractor who fills an FTE position at $120K but bills the government closer to $500K. People like me love this, because I make a frick ton of money from it. People like you love this because those who benefit from it sold you on the idea that we're "totally shrinking FedGov."
Win, win all around.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 5:10 pm to Chazreinhold
But he said they'll be prosecuted if at the same time they're working privately somewhere else.
Everyone who's been working from home will be charged if it is found out that they were working a second job, while collecting from the government job. Big no ni. Considered theft
Everyone who's been working from home will be charged if it is found out that they were working a second job, while collecting from the government job. Big no ni. Considered theft
Posted on 2/1/25 at 5:12 pm to Chazreinhold
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What is the rationale behind the Trump Administration's decision to pay federal employees 8 to 9 months of salary while they are not working—especially those who already had planned to retire or resign—and why is this benefit being offered before mandating a return to the office and laying off employees during their probationary period?
Is it because there is some sort of Law on the books protecting them?
Government employees don't quit, and are nearly impossible to fire.
Sometimes you have to spend money in the short term to save it in the long term.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 5:21 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
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I very much doubt he does this because the media would bring up his own past and current drug use.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 5:28 pm to bader
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because the media would
The government made him take drug tests to keep his contracts
Only right they be required to do the same to stay employed, right?
Posted on 2/1/25 at 5:46 pm to bader
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Congress hass already appropriated the funds.
No they haven't. The government is only funded until March.
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Let’s assume that LFE accepts Trump’s generous offer and gets paid $80,000 to quit and not work
From what I read, current regulations cap it at $20,000. This is one of the reasons why federal employees are very leery of taking it because there is no precedent. From the screenshots posted on Reddit, the offer to employees isn't even signed by anyone. We all know it is Elon who sent it and people know he stiffed his Twitter employees. Elon's "trust me, bro" guarantee isn't going to be enough to convince many people to take it.
This is all being done super sloppy. The Trump administration should have gone to Congress, got the funds appropriated, and then made an offer that was *signed* by someone in Trump's administration. Do it the right way and people will line up to take it.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 5:50 pm to imjustafatkid
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Sometimes you have to spend money in the short term to save it in the long term.
Sometimes you have to offer it up in the hopes that they will take it because there's little you can do to actually fire them.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 5:51 pm to bader
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This is all being done super sloppy. The Trump administration should have gone to Congress, got the funds appropriated, and then made an offer that was *signed* by someone in Trump's administration. Do it the right way and people will line up to take it.
This is true except that many won't take it nearly as many as people here think they will.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 5:54 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Win, win all around.
your position is that all of these government jobs are necessary and the “work” performed must be replaced
that’s simply not true
Posted on 2/1/25 at 5:59 pm to deeprig9
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How many fedgov employees do you think are paid on a timecard basis?
Actually a lot are.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 6:01 pm to dcbl
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your position is that all of these government jobs are necessary and the “work” performed must be replaced
Wrong.
The work performed will be replaced. Elon and Trump know this, and they're going to make a lot of money because they know this. So am I. I support what they're doing.
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