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re: FBI officials were 'rattled' and 'blindsided' by Trump's call for Ukraine
Posted on 10/16/19 at 2:13 am to supatigah
Posted on 10/16/19 at 2:13 am to supatigah
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The WB would have lead with the additional info on the ellipses after the transcript came out
The WB filed the complaint on August 12, 2019.
The White House released the transcription of the combined notes of the phone call taken by assigned staff on September 25, 2019.
What you suggest is not possible.
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 2:27 am
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Posted on 10/16/19 at 2:16 am to FearlessFreep
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If you’re unable to see the inherent hypocrisy and/or cognitive dissonance in these two positions then there is simply no point in discussing this issue with you any further.
Why don't you explain to me the inherent hypocrisy and/or cognitive dissonance in these two positions?
You won't because you are unable to.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 2:21 am to FearlessFreep
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If not, kindly shut the frick up about your goddamn ellipses.
If Trump said that they had a word-for-word, comma for comma, transcript and "We had an exact transcript", why does the transcript they provided have ellipses in critical sections of the transcript?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 2:25 am to antibarner
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He knows that he is lying, he is merely spewing talking points, which is what they all do. Our efforts should be expended finding out where they get said talking points all the time and expose them.
Trump's story just doesn't match up.
Trump said that they had a word-for-word, comma for comma, transcript and "We had an exact transcript", why does the transcript they provided have ellipses in critical sections of the transcript?
Put up or shut up.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 2:52 am to texridder
I'd say the marker's currently on the Dems to put up or shut up. They first cranked all this up with the WB, throwing the ball into Trump's court. Trump then responded with the transcript memo throwing the ball back into Dems' court which is where we are now -- Dems trying to come up with corroborating evidence of their allegations, and hoping to shift the burden back to Trump again. That doesn't seem to be working out well for them.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:15 am to Jon Ham
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FBI officials were "rattled" and "blindsided" by President Donald Trump's calls for Ukraine to manufacture dirt on former Vice President Joe Biden and his son ahead of the 2020 election.
"You walk down the halls, and there was this sense of dread, and everyone's kind of thinking, did the president really do this?"
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:32 am to davyjones
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I'd say the marker's currently on the Dems to put up or shut up. They first cranked all this up with the WB, throwing the ball into Trump's court. Trump then responded with the transcript memo throwing the ball back into Dems' court which is where we are now -- Dems trying to come up with corroborating evidence of their allegations, and hoping to shift the burden back to Trump again. That doesn't seem to be working out well for them.
What makes you say that?
The word-for-word transcript of the Zelenshy phone call exists. Trump said it did and the people that the Whistleblower talked to said there was one as well.
The full transcript is not good for Trump or it wouldn't have caused the reaction that it did to those who talked about it to the Whistleblower.
Giuliani has been running around for almost a year having meetings trying to convince the Ukrainians to start an investigation into Biden/Burisma and the 2016 U.S. elections, including the Crowdstrike conspiracy theory. One of Giuliani's meetings was in Spain with Zelenshy's chief of staff two weeks after the July 25 Trump phone call.
There are people who know what happened and several of them are no longer in the Trump administration and are not going to risk a perjury charge to back up Trump's version of the story.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 4:24 am to texridder
Ignoring any feelings I have on the situation, texridder is correct about the correct way to indicate a pause in a transcript, and that in a properly done transcript uses ellipses to indicate omitted words.
See here LINK
And LINK
And LINK
If what was delivered is actually a professionally done transcript, done by people very good at their job as the President suggests, they would not make that mistake.
The document that was unclassified by the White House linked Here is very clear that it is not a verbatim transcript, rather it is a document that "records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty
Officers and-NSC policy staff assigned to listen.and memorialize the conversation in written form
as the conversation takes place.” I believe it was compiled by people that are not transcription professionals, so it is possible they didn't follow proper form. It is strange though that they only bother to note pauses in 3 places, when surely there were other pauses, if even just the Ukrainian president struggling with English.
See here LINK
And LINK
And LINK
If what was delivered is actually a professionally done transcript, done by people very good at their job as the President suggests, they would not make that mistake.
The document that was unclassified by the White House linked Here is very clear that it is not a verbatim transcript, rather it is a document that "records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty
Officers and-NSC policy staff assigned to listen.and memorialize the conversation in written form
as the conversation takes place.” I believe it was compiled by people that are not transcription professionals, so it is possible they didn't follow proper form. It is strange though that they only bother to note pauses in 3 places, when surely there were other pauses, if even just the Ukrainian president struggling with English.
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 6:39 am
Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:39 am to texridder
quote:You are refusing to accept the possibility that Biden was involved in manipulation of the investigation into Burisma (who was employing his son in a $600k a year position for which he had no experience) because "there is no evidence of any wrongdoing".
Why don't you explain to me the inherent hypocrisy and/or cognitive dissonance in these two positions?
You are accusing the POTUS of interfering into the sovereign affairs of the Ukraine by strongarming their President into re-opening the above investigation based no evidence, other than the appearance of ellipses in a transcribed phone conversation.
You accept what you want to believe without any evidence, while rejecting what you don't want to believe despite the presence of plenty of circumstantial evidence.
As you see, I am perfectly able to explain your hypocrisy. I'm also perfectly willing to entertain your explanation as to why it isn't. If you have one.
Ball's in your court.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:17 am to texridder
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Screw you dickwad.
Lame cun ty melt
Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:19 am to FearlessFreep
That’s a boom
Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:28 am to djmicrobe
By "FBI officials" do they mean some Obama holdovers who heard about Trump's call in the news?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:18 am to bayouvette
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the WB's own memo states that the transcript is word for word as the call was.
The WB's own memo!!! It doesn't matter what you think the damn ellipse mean.
any story that opens with the "manufacturing or digging up dirt" you know where that is going.
I too would be interested in seeing a source that quotes the WB stating anything about the call memo's accuracy.
I've seen news agencies that stated that they felt the August 12th complaint memo basically confirmed the contents of the call memo, but I haven't seen anything that suggests the WB said that.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:01 pm to bayouvette
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the WB's own memo states that the transcript is word for word as the call was.
No. it doesn't.
The WB memo says there is a word-for-word transcript that was "produced—as is customary—by the White House Situation Room". That is obviously the one that Trump was referring to when he said there was a word-for-word, comma-for-comma, transcript.
The WB memo says that the word-for-word transcript was "locked down" and that the electronic transcript was transferred to a separate electronic system used to store sensitive classified information.
The WB memo also said that
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I do not know whether similar measures were taken to restrict access to other records of the call, such as contemporaneous handwritten notes taken by those who listened in.
That last statement obviously refers to the transcription made from handwritten notes that was released by the White House and misrepresented as a word-for-word transcript.
There were two transcripts: the word-for-word transcript that was "locked down" after the call, and the one that was created from contemporaneous handwritten notes taken by those who listened in.
Just so there is no mistake about this, below is the excerpt for the WB's memo discussing this. SEE FOR YOURSELF that the White House is MISREPRESENTING the "transcript" they released.
Below is taken directly from the WB complaint:
quote:
I. Efforts to restrict access to records related to the call
In the days following the phone call, I learned from multiple U.S. officials that senior White House officials had intervened to “lock down” all records of the phone call, especially the official word-for-word transcript of the call that was produced—as is customary—by the White House Situation Room. This set of actions underscored to me that White House officials understood the gravity of what had transpired in the call.
White House officials told me that they were “directed” by White House lawyers to remove the electronic transcript from the computer system in which such transcripts are typically stored for coordination, finalization, and distribution to Cabinet-level officials.
Instead, the transcript was loaded into a separate electronic system that is otherwise used to store and handle classified information of an especially sensitive nature. One White House official described this act as an abuse of this electronic system because the call did not contain anything remotely sensitive from a national security perspective.
I do not know whether similar measures were taken to restrict access to other records of the call, such as contemporaneous handwritten notes taken by those who listened in.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:03 pm to texridder
I'm tellin ya DixRider, you got heem this time I just know it! 
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:05 pm to texridder
Yeah but we know the wb is a lying loon like you, cwill, so not sure why we should care
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:09 pm to Jbird
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I'm tellin ya DixRider, you got heem this time I just know it!
That post is your admission that you're too dumb and lazy to read my respose and comment on it.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:10 pm to texridder
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That post is your admission that you're too dumb and lazy to read my respose and comment on it.
Your posts are always worthy of derision, not serious response.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:10 pm to texridder
quote:SUre thing Dix sure thing.
That post is your admission that you're too dumb and lazy to read my respose and comment on it.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:12 pm to Turbeauxdog
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FBI officials were 'rattled' and 'blindsided' by Trump's call for Ukraine
Yeah but we know the wb is a lying loon like you, cwill, so not sure why we should care
Well, Trump must be lying too. Because he also said there was a word-for-word, comma-for-comma transcript of the call, and that was NOT what was released.
Why is that, you think?
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