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re: FBI officials were 'rattled' and 'blindsided' by Trump's call for Ukraine

Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:13 pm to
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73559 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:13 pm to
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Why is that, you think?
Maybe it was yoga classes Dix ever think of that?
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14309 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:15 pm to
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Your posts are always worthy of derision, not serious response.

So, you think Trump was lying about them having a word-for-word transcript of the call, too?
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64699 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:16 pm to
"I'm sorry I don't recall."
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14309 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:21 pm to
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I too would be interested in seeing a source that quotes the WB stating anything about the call memo's accuracy.

See my response to bayouvette on the previous page.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
23391 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 2:18 pm to
No I think you’re a dishonest buffoon. We’ve covered that several times, cwill
Posted by djmicrobe
Planet Earth
Member since Jan 2007
4970 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 11:11 pm to
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the WB's own memo states that the transcript is word for word as the call was.

No. it doesn't.

The WB memo says there is a word-for-word transcript that was "produced—as is customary—by the White House Situation Room". That is obviously the one that Trump was referring to when he said there was a word-for-word, comma-for-comma, transcript.

The WB memo says that the word-for-word transcript was "locked down" and that the electronic transcript was transferred to a separate electronic system used to store sensitive classified information.

The WB memo also said that
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I do not know whether similar measures were taken to restrict access to other records of the call, such as contemporaneous handwritten notes taken by those who listened in.

That last statement obviously refers to the transcription made from handwritten notes that was released by the White House and misrepresented as a word-for-word transcript.

There were two transcripts: the word-for-word transcript that was "locked down" after the call, and the one that was created from contemporaneous handwritten notes taken by those who listened in.

Just so there is no mistake about this, below is the excerpt for the WB's memo discussing this. SEE FOR YOURSELF that the White House is MISREPRESENTING the "transcript" they released.

Below is taken directly from the WB complaint:

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I. Efforts to restrict access to records related to the call

In the days following the phone call, I learned from multiple U.S. officials that senior White House officials had intervened to “lock down” all records of the phone call, especially the official word-for-word transcript of the call that was produced—as is customary—by the White House Situation Room. This set of actions underscored to me that White House officials understood the gravity of what had transpired in the call.

White House officials told me that they were “directed” by White House lawyers to remove the electronic transcript from the computer system in which such transcripts are typically stored for coordination, finalization, and distribution to Cabinet-level officials.

Instead, the transcript was loaded into a separate electronic system that is otherwise used to store and handle classified information of an especially sensitive nature. One White House official described this act as an abuse of this electronic system because the call did not contain anything remotely sensitive from a national security perspective.

I do not know whether similar measures were taken to restrict access to other records of the call, such as contemporaneous handwritten notes taken by those who listened in.



First let's get this straight. this is NOT a whistle blower. This is a leaker.

The leaker had 2nd/3rd hand info, was not present in any meetings discussing the call, and did not listen in on the call. The leaker had Schiff lawyers write a report in which none of them spoke to any of these 2nd/3rd hand people (supposedly). The leaker did NOT notify IG that he spoke to Congress first. The leaker worked with Biden in the past. The leaker is biased.

The prez of Ukraine said there was no quid pro quo, no pressure, and had no idea any future weapons purchases were postponed. He was on the call.

For clarity's sake Trump requested the Ukraine prez look into 2016 election meddling, he mentioned the Bidens because Sleepy Joe bragged about holding up $1 BILLION if a prosecutor was NOT fired. This alone should be alarming to anyone. A US VP blackmailed a foreign prez. Biden got what he wanted for $1 billion. IT WAS NOT HIS MONEY!!!!! YES!! INVESTIGATE THIS!!!!!! YOU SHOULD BE CALLING EVERY CONGRESSMAN REQUESTING THEY INVESTIGATE BIDEN.

Trump releases the transcript of his call. If you do not believe that the transcript is word for word, then look at it as if this is a version of the call as perceived by whoever wrote this transcript which was NOT Trump. You have this version of the call, the leaker version (who never heard one word of the call), and the prez of Ukraine's version of the call.
Summary of call: Investigate 2016 election meddling, no quid pro quo, investigate corruption admitted by VP Biden. Remember, what needs to be investigated are Bidens actions prior to the 2016 election. No one is investigating Bidens actions today. No one is spying on Biden to try to dig up dirt.
Posted by CheniereTiger108
Member since Jul 2014
1610 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 11:40 pm to
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Biden/Obama Admin were not the only ones calling for Shokin to be replaced. The IMF and the EU were calling for Shokin to be removed.


Ruh rohs- according to Obama State Dept, this is untrue.

LINK

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The testimony of George Kent, a State Department official who works on the agency’s Ukraine portfolio, directly contradicts claims that the Obama administration was merely following the lead of the so-called international community in demanding the firing of Viktor Shokin, a controversial Ukrainian prosecutor who was reportedly investigating Burisma, a global energy company long suspected of corruption and money laundering. In 2014, Burisma paid Hunter Biden, Joe Biden’s son, tens of thousands of dollars to sit on its board despite the younger Biden’s complete lack of expertise or professional experience running a multi-national oil and gas concern.


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Kent told lawmakers on Tuesday that the Obama administration spearheaded the efforts to have Shokin removed from his position as the top federal prosecutor in Ukraine. Kent said the international community — namely the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and Western nations within the European Union — were deferential to U.S. directives on the matter. At a 2018 event organized by the Council on Foreign Relations, Joe Biden — who was tasked by then-President Barack Obama to lead the U.S. government’s efforts in Ukraine — bragged about threatening to withhold a billion-dollar loan guarantee if the Ukrainian government refused to fire Shokin.


Looks like IMF & EU weren’t that concerned about this fella after all- also curious is why we’ve not heard ANY EXAMPLES of things he was doing that were corrupt.... if he was as corrupt as Biden claims, surely they’d have some proof of that, eh??

Bc right now we have Biden lying about firing him on behalf of the EU & IMF, no other proof or evidence of any corruption on his behalf, but we do have a sworn statement under penalty of perjury that Shokin had NEVER been accused of anything of that nature by ANYBODY, including Barry & Biden.

Why is Biden lying?? Why has Barry not come out in defense of Biden? Why hasn’t Biden turned over his and Obamas call transcripts with Ukraine??

ETA:

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After Shokin was fired, he was replaced by Yuri Lutsenko, who also has been dogged by allegations of corruption. The Obama administration never demanded Lutsenko’s ouster, despite worries that Lutsenko was similarly corrupt and untrustworthy.


Explain this as well please. Thanks in advance.
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 11:48 pm
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
30546 posts
Posted on 10/16/19 at 11:57 pm to
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no other proof or evidence of any corruption on his behalf

This has been quite notable in my mind. When I first heard this accusation and the high level accusers involved, highest levels possible more or less, I was expecting follow up detail about some shocking international movie-worthy corruption.

To this day, nothing specific of note.
Posted by DeathAndTaxes
Member since Oct 2019
238 posts
Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:50 pm to
I’m sure the answer is “deep state”, but why is is it that report, or reports using that report as the source, are the only ones referencing that part of Kent’s testimony?
This post was edited on 10/18/19 at 1:57 am
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