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re: FBI Director Wray: “These are not hoax devices”
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:11 pm to Purina
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:11 pm to Purina
People are responsible for their own actions. If someone wants to criticize Trump, he has done plenty for people to attack. Trying to assign blame to him for the actions of the apparently deranged, doesn't fly with me.
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:11 pm to lsupride87
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It isnt even the actual definition
Don't play word games with me, mijo:
hoax verb
\'hoks \
hoaxed; hoaxing; hoaxes
Definition of hoax (Entry 1 of 2)
transitive verb
: to trick into believing or accepting as genuine something false and often preposterous
Merriam-Webster
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If he tried to make these devices actually explode, they arent a hoax by definition
If they were real bombs, then they weren't hoaxes. If they weren't, then they were hoaxes. Period.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:11 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:They are wrong because no sane minded rational thinking unbiased person would lean to this being a hoax at this point
So, if they believe all he did was put together a device made to look like a bomb to scare people, with not method of detonation or explosive material, how are they wrong in calling that a hoax? What definition of hoax are you using?
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You know this in your heart to be true
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:12 pm to lsupride87
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no sane minded rational thinking unbiased person would lean to this being a hoax
If they were fake bombs and people believed them to be real, then it was a successful hoax.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:13 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:Read your own definition t bird
If they were real bombs, then they weren't hoaxes. If they weren't, then they were hoaxes. Period.
"to trick" Look up other definitions as well
For it to be a hoax, it has to be that he made a knowing deliberate attempt for these devices not to work and to only fool people
This part simply isnt debatable
This post was edited on 10/26/18 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:13 pm to PearlJam
Right. I don't think Bernie should have been blamed either
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:13 pm to Nastradamus
I think I'm starting to smell a rat. Narrative set for the next 11 days.
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former CIA Director John Brennan, who has appeared on CNN criticizing Trump.
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the film star has openly criticized Trump in the past.
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Clapper has been one of the most outspoken critics of the Trump administration.
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Steyer has spent millions advocating for Trump's impeachment.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:13 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:Dude, no
If they were fake bombs and people believed them to be real, then it was a successful hoax.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:14 pm to lsupride87
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They are wrong because no sane minded rational thinking unbiased person would lean to this being a hoax at this point
No sane minded person would lean to thinking that someone would send people fake bombs? Okay
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:14 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:As the fricking FBI is telling you "this was not a hoax"?
No sane minded person would lean to thinking that someone would send people fake bombs? Okay
No, they wouldnt......
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:15 pm to lsupride87
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For it to be a hoax, it has to be that he made a knowing deliberate attempt for these devices not to work and to only fool people
So, what would you call leaving out all explosive material and firing mechanisms?
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:15 pm to Nastradamus
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Officials say it was likely delivered by hand rather than mail, allowing it to reach its destination undetected.
So, he traveled to NY and back to South Florida since Monday.
Should be easy to corroborate that much travel.
Unless he was flying (and, I'll say it, almost certainly with these devices that would have been picked up by security screening), which is unlikely, there is no way he traveled to CA - so he must have mailed them.
If not, then he had an accomplice. And the coordination on the delivery of this via the USPS (at least for some) is pretty incredible.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:16 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:A fricking retard?
So, what would you call leaving out all explosive material and firing mechanisms?
This isnt debatable. If this guy wanted his devices to explode, and in his mind they were made to explode, this isnt a hoax
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:16 pm to Nastradamus
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:16 pm to PearlJam
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We don't, but it is reasonable to think he tried and failed to make real bombs considering the statement from the FBI that they were not hoax devices.
He was competent enough to come up with this plan, get the addresses of all the recipients, mail or deliver them without arousing suspicion, but not competent enough to watch a YouTube video on how to build a bomb, or at least attempt to make the packages incomspicuious enough that they had at least a slight chance of not being intercepted. These were designed to be found, and cause as much negative media attention for Trump as possible.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:17 pm to lsupride87
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Read your own definition t bird "to trick"
Like I said. This is the crux of what makes something a "hoax."
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For it to be a hoax, it has to be that he made a knowing deliberate attempt for these devices not to work and to only fool people
No, what I'm saying is that the only criteria that has to be met for the bombs to be hoaxes is for him to make people believe they were bombs even if they were not.
If the bombs weren't real, then they were successful hoaxes, by definition.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:17 pm to lsupride87
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If they were fake bombs and people believed them to be real, then it was a successful hoax.
Dude, no
Actually yes. Stop and think.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:18 pm to lsupride87
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A fricking retard?
This isnt debatable. If this guy wanted his devices to explode, and in his mind they were made to explode, this isnt a hoax
So, you know his intent then? You know he meant for these to explode?
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:18 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:This is not true.
, what I'm saying is that the only criteria that has to be met for the bombs to be hoaxes is for him to make people believe they were bombs even if they were not.
If the bombs weren't real, then they were successful hoaxes, by definition.
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A hoax is a falsehood deliberately fabricated to masquerade as the truth. It is distinguishable from errors in observation or judgment
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:19 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:Do I know for certain? Not yet
So, you know his intent then? You know he meant for these to explode?
But I would be a tin foil hat right wing weirdo to think it was a deliberate hoax at this point, considering the FBI who found and arrested him said it wasnt........
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