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re: Facebook Co-Founder Says Social Networks to Face More Regulation

Posted on 9/6/18 at 3:45 pm to
Posted by Nguyener
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 9/6/18 at 3:45 pm to
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If ISP's are more or less free of regulation via the abolition of Net Neutrality, then conservatives should have no issue with not regulating tech companies.




Just because I believe the government should be involved in regulating how roads are built does not mean I want them regulating the music I choose to listen to while on that road.

A geographical and defacto monopoly with almost no competition and high barriers to entry is viewed differently than a private company in a free market with plenty of options and low barriers to entry.
This post was edited on 9/6/18 at 3:46 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297825 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 3:46 pm to
No more regulation.

shite, we're already regulated to hell and back in virtually every industry.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21700 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 3:47 pm to
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Personally I think its a bad day whenever the govt tries to protect anything



I do not understand what this statement means.




We have a free market system that is infinitely better than govt telling it what to do.
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
21057 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 3:48 pm to
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Should Infowars be regulated and forced to play my "Farrakhan for President!" video?


1. No. Because Infowars is not an open platform. And it does not call itself one.

2. Your post proves my point. Infowars is currently in a large amount of litigation over its published content as it relates to all kinds of journalism violations.
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
21057 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 3:49 pm to
So you basically do not think the civil court system should exist?
Posted by Swoopin
Member since Jun 2011
22045 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 3:50 pm to
Its not uncommon for big companies to embrace regulation (if they can help consent/craft it) because it often erects barriers to competition.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 3:52 pm to
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Should Infowars be regulated and forced to play my "Farrakhan for President!" video?


1. No. Because Infowars is not an open platform. And it does not call itself one.
But your argument is that Facebook isn't either. You just said they aren't an aggregator, but a content producer
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21700 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 3:52 pm to
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So you basically do not think the civil court system should exist?


I feel like I am speaking to a liberal...

Is it really a startling idea that we reduce the amount of torts/litigation so people can handle their own problems?

Why do conservatives need govt to come to the rescue, and instead expand the free market to sort itself out?

This is conservatism 101...
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 3:54 pm to
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So you basically do not think the civil court system should exist?


This makes absolutely no sense...which is par for the course for you in this thread.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 3:55 pm to
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Just because I believe the government should be involved in regulating how roads are built does not mean I want them regulating the music I choose to listen to while on that road.

You just made an argument for net neutrality and against regulating social media

You're all over the place, man
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 3:56 pm to
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Its not uncommon for big companies to embrace regulation (if they can help consent/craft it) because it often erects barriers to competition.


But the government makes roads that aggregate cars but don't tell you what music to listen to when you go to their civil courts for content producers!
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
21057 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 4:03 pm to
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You just made an argument for net neutrality and against regulating social media


Yeah. That was the exact point of my analogy. I am glad you understand it. It is consistent with my beliefs.

Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
21057 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 4:07 pm to
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I feel like I am speaking to a liberal


You are not.

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Is it really a startling idea that we reduce the amount of torts/litigation so people can handle their own problems? 


On the whole, no. There are far too many frivolous lawsuits in America and tort reform is something I am a big advocate of.

But eliminating causes of action is not a tort reform I can get behind.

How would you handle a company violating its terms of service without the court system? What would be your remedy?

I am not advocating for proactive regulations but I do think that remedies should be available if they are needed.

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Why do conservatives need govt to come to the rescue, and instead expand the free market to sort itself out? 

Where am I asking government to come to the rescue?

I have already said twice that the free market can solve the issues with facebook and Twitter being horrible businesses that plague our society like a cancer.
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
21057 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 4:08 pm to
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But your argument is that Facebook isn't either.

Correct. But it is currently classified as one.

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You just said they aren't an aggregator, but a content producer ?


I believe that, yes. But it is not so under the eyes of the law.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21700 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 4:11 pm to
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How would you handle a company violating its terms of service without the court system? What would be your remedy?


We have this system called the free market. Whenever a customer is unsatisfied with a product, he has an absolute freedom to conduct his business elsewhere, or even start a new business if its really egregious.

No court system required.

Again why am I explaining this to someone who claims to be a conservative?
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 4:12 pm to
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If you use a social media platform like Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram daily; you get your news from those sites; and you participate in identity politics and nonsensical Multilevel marketing scams then you are an idiot and you deserve all of the violations of privacy and speech to which you subject yourself.

The answer here is not regulate social media via government intervention and growth of power. It is to use the free market. Stop going on those worthless websites and apps. Nothing good comes from them. And they are not in any way shape or form important enough to endow the federal government with extra powers and bureaucracy.



Posted by Kraut Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 9/6/18 at 4:14 pm to
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This post was edited on 1/10/21 at 4:34 am
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 4:29 pm to
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Again why am I explaining this to someone who claims to be a conservative?

Because he was specifically responding to your statement:

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Personally I think its a bad day whenever the govt tries to protect anything


...which is absurd. You do realize that would apply to the government protecting our borders, right? Are you really against that?

I used the example of our borders being protected, he used the example of government run civil courts.

There is a distinction between small government conservatism and libertarian anarchy.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
37757 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 4:31 pm to
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WildTchoupitoulas


You ever figure out what discrimination black women legally face yet? Find it odd you never came back to clarify that
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 4:39 pm to
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You ever figure out what discrimination black women legally face yet?

I wasn't aware that I was supposed to be investigating that.

Can you provide a link to one of my posts discussing, "discrimination black women legally face"?

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