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Explain to me like I'm 5 or your average dem
Posted on 3/2/25 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 3/2/25 at 2:22 pm
What steps took place with the US and Ukraine that caused this war vs the mainstream theory that Russia "invaded a sovereign nation".. and what territory is Russia supposedly trying to win claim of, and what is their reason for believing it's theirs and not Ukraines?
So if Z had signed the cease fire agreement, would that have conceded current Ukraine land to Russia?
So if Z had signed the cease fire agreement, would that have conceded current Ukraine land to Russia?
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Posted on 3/2/25 at 2:24 pm to 1897
Go watch Tuckers interview with Putin, he explains why he thinks the land is Russian.
At this point, what’s done is done. Ceasefire, Russia keeps whatever it captured, and life moves on.
Russia isn’t gonna give that land back up, so no sense in waiting for it to happen while hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians die.
At this point, what’s done is done. Ceasefire, Russia keeps whatever it captured, and life moves on.
Russia isn’t gonna give that land back up, so no sense in waiting for it to happen while hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians die.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 2:39 pm to 1897
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What steps took place with the US and Ukraine that caused this war
We promised Russia after the UssR dissolved that we would not expand NATO.
We lied and broke our promise.
Biden then told Ukraine we were working to let them join NATO.
Russia invaded
Posted on 3/2/25 at 3:16 pm to Guntoter1
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We promised Russia after the UssR dissolved that we would not expand NATO.
Link?
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Biden then told Ukraine we were working to let them join NATO.
Link?
Posted on 3/2/25 at 3:19 pm to BayouBlitz
Posted on 3/2/25 at 3:19 pm to Lsut81
quote:If Russia gets it they get to build it back. If Ukraine gets it, BlackRock gets it.
Russia isn’t gonna give that land back up, so no sense in waiting for it to happen while hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians die.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 3:22 pm to DamnGood86
That's what I thought.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 3:25 pm to BayouBlitz
There are many people who have talked about this.
In fact if I remember correctly around the early 90’s Russia didn’t want more countries in NATO but 7 more countries since then have entered.
The last administration was so fuking stupid they pushed Putin to a breaking point flirting with adding Ukraine and we are now Complicit in all of this.
But it was really purposefully done so the overloads who build weapons and rebuild counties get paid and didn’t care what happened either way.
In fact if I remember correctly around the early 90’s Russia didn’t want more countries in NATO but 7 more countries since then have entered.
The last administration was so fuking stupid they pushed Putin to a breaking point flirting with adding Ukraine and we are now Complicit in all of this.
But it was really purposefully done so the overloads who build weapons and rebuild counties get paid and didn’t care what happened either way.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 3:26 pm to Diamondawg
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If Russia gets it they get to build it back.
But will they build it back better?
Posted on 3/2/25 at 3:28 pm to Morpheus
Where is this signed agreement?
And Putin swore 2 weeks before he invaded Ukraine, that he wasn't going to invade Ukraine.
frick Putin and his apologists.
And Putin swore 2 weeks before he invaded Ukraine, that he wasn't going to invade Ukraine.
frick Putin and his apologists.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 3:30 pm to BayouBlitz
The one from the 90’s ?
Hold on lemme check.
Point is we didn’t respect their space and here we are.
Hold on lemme check.
Point is we didn’t respect their space and here we are.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 3:33 pm to Morpheus
Typical. We did the same in Cambodia. Millions died because of our interference.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 3:33 pm to Lsut81
You nailed it, Russia feels super strong about the land that was taken from them, and they want it back....I really don't blame them.
Posted on 3/2/25 at 3:33 pm to 1897
A ceasefire would freeze the status quo. I would not call it “ceding” land to Russia—the land was captured by Russia and Ukraine isn’t capable of recapturing it, at least without foreign troops.
This post was edited on 3/2/25 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 3/2/25 at 3:39 pm to BayouBlitz
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And Putin swore 2 weeks before he invaded Ukraine, that he wasn't going to invade Ukraine.
Biden told Putin on January 19, 2022, that a minor incursion by Russia would be tolerated.
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"I think what you're going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades. And it depends on what it does. It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do."
Posted on 3/2/25 at 3:39 pm to BayouBlitz
LA Times
History News Network
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In early February 1990, U.S. leaders made the Soviets an offer. According to transcripts of meetings in Moscow on Feb. 9, then-Secretary of State James Baker suggested that in exchange for cooperation on Germany, U.S. could make “iron-clad guarantees” that NATO would not expand “one inch eastward.” Less than a week later, Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev agreed to begin reunification talks. No formal deal was struck, but from all the evidence, the quid pro quo was clear: Gorbachev acceded to Germany’s western alignment and the U.S. would limit NATO’s expansion.
History News Network
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U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University (https://nsarchive.gwu.edu).
This post was edited on 3/2/25 at 3:44 pm
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