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re: Executive Order expected to end birthright citizenship for illegal immigrants
Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Were the parents subject to the jurisdiction of our laws? Was the child born within our geographic boundaries?
They are subject to the jurisdiction of their home country which they are citizens of. You do realize that If Americans go abroad, we are still subject to laws of the USA even though we are in a foreign country. If to say there is a country where drugs are legal and we partake in them, we can be arrested for breaking those US laws when we return back home. Why? Because we are US citizens and subject to the jurisdiction of THE US, regard of where we are in the world.
Also, the 14th amendment was for the slaves, not illegal foreigners. So two people commit a crime and they get rewarded for it by their child being a US citizen? What law can a person break where a criminal is rewarded for it?
This post was edited on 1/20/25 at 4:09 pm
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Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:08 pm to Oneforthemoney
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They are subject to the jurisdiction of their home country which they are citizens of.
By arguing this, you are arguing they can commit crimes in the US and we cannot prosecute them. Is that your argument?
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You do realize that If Americans go abroad, we are still subject to laws of the USA even though we are in a foreign country.
Sometimes, but we're also subject to that country's laws 100% (unless you're a diplomat)
Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:12 pm to lsuconnman
Really? Before my wife immigrated here legally, I had to sign a legally binding document stating she would not become a public charge and would not get any benefits, public services that would cost taxpayers or the govt any money. That I would be solely financially responsible for her for a certain number of years. I had to sign that before she could even come here.
This post was edited on 1/20/25 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:13 pm to Oneforthemoney
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If to say there is a country where drugs are legal and we partake in them, we can be arrested for breaking those US laws when we return back home.
That can't be true.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:14 pm to LordSaintly
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That can't be true.
It is, and the law is authoritarian BUT it was written to catch pedos who go abroad where it isn't illegal so be careful.
You get the 2 button/sweating meme in deciding to attack a terrible law or being called a pedo for having principles.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:15 pm to Oneforthemoney
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Before my wife immigrated here legally, I had to sign a legally binding document stating she would not become a public charge and would not get any benefits, public services that would cost taxpayers or the govt any money. That I would be solely financially responsible for her for a certain number of years. I had to sign that before she could even come here.
He said illegals.
Your wife clearly engaged in legal immigration
Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It is, and the law is authoritarian BUT it was written to catch pedos who go abroad where it isn't illegal so be careful.
I agree with the child sex tourism law, but I have a hard time believing the feds care if I smoke a joint abroad.
I don't consume drugs, but that really seems like an overreach. I could be wrong.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:22 pm to Oneforthemoney
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Before my wife immigrated here legally, I had to sign a legally binding document stating she would not become a public charge and would not get any benefits, public services that would cost taxpayers or the govt any money.
Well first off the public charge grounds of inadmissibility doesn't apply to asylees, which are what the vast majority of illegals are hoping to be. Secondly, the I-864 applies to means-tested benefits, which public schools are not. Thirdly, an intending immigrant CAN receive those benefits, but you as the sponsor are simply liable to repay the government for the money the intending immigrant received if they did.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:25 pm to LordSaintly
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I agree with the child sex tourism law, but I have a hard time believing the feds care if I smoke a joint abroad.
How do you think they get jurisdiction for the pedo stuff? If you go to a place where weed is legal to smoke weed, it's the same legal issue conceptually.
This is why standing up to authoritarianism like I do is difficult. The government knows how to draft laws that trigger emotional responses and the costs of principles is facing those emotional-irrational reactions.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
I think the real question on my mind at this point is let's say we end birthright citizenship. How would this impact sovereign citizens? And would it give a sovereign citizen born post the rule change the actual jurisdictional immunity they seek?
Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:29 pm to Kjnstkmn
Will this lower egg prices?
Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:30 pm to oklahogjr
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How would this impact sovereign citizens? And would it give a sovereign citizen born post the rule change the actual jurisdictional immunity they seek?
It could move them outside of being prosecutable, like the illegal aliens would be.
Notice in this thread how I've brought that up multiple times and the response is crickets.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Notice in this thread how I've brought that up multiple times and the response is crickets.
They never respond to that part. I mentioned how laken Riley's killer couldn't be prosecuted if we didn't have jurisdiction over him and people got real upset. I don't think they realize what they're pushing for....
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It could move them outside of being prosecutable, like the illegal aliens would be.
That kinda what I was thinking. What a wild consequence that could be. Better get the ole traveller usdot license plate dusted off.
Posted on 1/20/25 at 6:35 pm to oklahogjr
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. I don't think they realize what they're pushing for....
That's a certainty
Posted on 1/20/25 at 7:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/20/25 at 7:57 pm to Kjnstkmn
Illegal criminals discovering Trump just made their crimes on American soil unable to be prosecuted:
Posted on 1/20/25 at 8:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
225 posts u go Fanni!
Posted on 1/20/25 at 8:14 pm to Jbird
A combination of MLK Jr. + snowmageddon prep
Posted on 1/20/25 at 8:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It could move them outside of being prosecutable, like the illegal aliens would be.
Notice in this thread how I've brought that up multiple times and the response is crickets.
Nobody gives a shite about "could"
Posted on 1/20/25 at 8:16 pm to RohanGonzales
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Nobody gives a shite about "could"
Good thing that only applied to sov cits and not illegals.
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