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re: Excellent Analysis of the Fake News process, Re: NYT, Perry
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:13 pm to The Spleen
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:13 pm to The Spleen
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But the NYT didn't make it up out of thin air.
What a relief. Well, that's just the same thing as "journalism."
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Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:14 pm to USMCTiger03
quote:Well is it surprising that a person who campaigned on abolishing a department, but famously forgot the name of it in a debate, would be unclear about his role in heading that some department?
How can you even type a word in defense of these fake journalists??
Given his previous stance, it would be easy to have trouble understanding his role in a department he wants to do away with.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:16 pm to USMCTiger03
Where am I defending the journalist? I said it was a lazy article with a weak justification for its theme, and I stand by that. Fake news to me is something completely made up. He didn't make up the quote to craft the piece. He jumped to an awful conclusion from a real quote.
So yes, bash away at the writer and the column. I'll join you on that. It's just not fake news.
So yes, bash away at the writer and the column. I'll join you on that. It's just not fake news.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:16 pm to The Spleen
Oops! Another part I left out:
You have about as much credibility as that story.
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Fifth, Perry even stated in December when he accepted the job that he was looking forward to carrying out the duties of the office, including overseeing the maintenance of the national's nuclear arsenal.
"As the former governor of the nation's largest energy producing state, I know American energy is critical to our economy and our security," Perry said in a statement on Dec. 14.
He added [emphasis added], "I look forward to engaging in a conversation about the development, stewardship and regulation of our energy resources, safeguarding our nuclear arsenal and promoting an American energy policy that creates jobs and puts America first."
You have about as much credibility as that story.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:18 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:And this quote supports my previous post.
Well is it surprising that a person who campaigned on abolishing a department, but famously forgot the name of it in a debate, would be unclear about his role in heading that some department?
Given his previous stance, it would be easy to have trouble understanding his role in a department he wants to do away with.
On some level, you see it is possible, therefore it isn't "fake news", just "shoddy journalism".
Because you hold those preconceived notions, you don't see this article for what it is.
And don't take this as a defense of Perry. I think he is a buffoon, but let's not let these "journalists" get away with blatantly fake reporting.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:19 pm to The Spleen
quote:Yes it is.
It's just not fake news
It is no more "true" than an article by the National Enquirer stating that Bigfoot is real.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:23 pm to Scruffy
quote:I admit it's questionable, if not poor, journalism.
Because you hold those preconceived notions, you don't see this article for what it is.
quote:Yet, in the "banning inauguration in Public Schools" thread, people are just blindly accepting some story from Fox's most hackish writer (Todd Starnes) whose "source" is a teenage girl who posted on facebook and her mother. He didn't even get the school on record (a simple, task and standard journalistic practice).
And don't take this as a defense of Perry. I think he is a buffoon, but let's not let these "journalists" get away with blatantly fake reporting.
As it relates to journalism and credibility, the hypocrisy is blatant. Some will criticize journalism then cite Alex Jones or some random person on Twitter.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:24 pm to buckeye_vol
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Well is it surprising that a person who campaigned on abolishing a department, but famously forgot the name of it in a debate, would be unclear about his role in heading that some department?
You're deflecting/lying.
I know it.
You know it.
Everyone reading knows it.
The story isn't about forgetting a name during a debate or thinking it's not needed in its present form - it's about not having any idea of its most important duties. It's a lie. It's fake.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:25 pm to Scruffy
quote:So you can say that it's essentially an irrefutable fact that Perry did not have any confusion about his role in a Department that he wanted to abolish, which he has JUT admitted was a comment made when he was ignorant of all of the department's role.
It is no more "true" than an article by the National Enquirer stating that Bigfoot is real.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:25 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:I didn't even read through that thread. Maybe I should.
Yet, in the "banning inauguration in Public Schools" thread, people are just blindly accepting some story from Fox's most hackish writer (Todd Starnes) whose "source" is a teenage girl who posted on facebook and her mother. He didn't even get the school on record (a simple, task and standard journalistic practice).
quote:Of course, but we have to do our best to call out all instances.
As it relates to journalism and credibility, the hypocrisy is blatant. Some will criticize journalism then cite Alex Jones or some random person on Twitter.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:27 pm to USMCTiger03
quote:It may be false, which is why it's poor journalism.
The story isn't about forgetting a name during a debate or thinking it's not needed in its present form - it's about not having any idea of its most important duties. It's a lie. It's fake.
But now you're doing the opposite and saying it's irrefutably false, when frankly, we don't know either way for sure. That's why they shouldn't have written it, BUT you're combating poor journalism with an irrationally absolute conclusion.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:28 pm to buckeye_vol
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So you can say that it's essentially an irrefutable fact that Perry did not have any confusion about his role in a Department that he wanted to abolish, which he has JUT admitted was a comment made when he was ignorant of all of the department's role.
I wasn't the one making the claims in the OP. That "journalist" is the one who has to prove what he wrote.
Your post is a perfect example of why this crap continues.
1. "Journalist" writes article making unsubstantiated claims.
2. People call him out on it.
3. Response is then "Prove that what I said isn't true".
Give me a fricking break.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:29 pm to USMCTiger03
...by a really, really fake news outlet.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:32 pm to Scruffy
quote:I didn't say that at all. I'm saying that you argued it was FALSE (like Bigfoot). That's making an absolute and unsupported claim. The problem with the article is that it doesn't support its own claim. That's poor journalism, but it's also a poor response to counter with an absolute claim based on no support.
Response is then "Prove that what I said isn't true".
In other words, you're fighting irrationality with irrationality.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 5:35 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
I didn't say that at all. I'm saying that you argued it was FALSE (like Bigfoot). That's making an absolute and unsupported claim. The problem with the article is that it doesn't support its own claim. That's poor journalism, but it's also a poor response to counter with an absolute claim based on no support.
Fair enough.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 6:44 pm to buckeye_vol
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And this why we can't ever have an honest discussion about a topic. You have to throw in some unsupported conspiracy with an actual discussion about poor journalism.
I told you from Day 1, that the polls being touted were not the ones I had in my possession. Just becuse you believed them (especially Nate Aluminum) doesn't mean we didn't know that those polls were intentionally designed to shape the electorate
The polls we had, showed the weak areas of support, and the Trump peeps targeted them in a timely fashion, knowing Hilldawg was too ill to rapidly respond
But keep believing that the charge is unsupported. The election numbers are the true poll, not the claptrap showing Trump trailing by 6 pts, in states that he won. That is the very definition of fake news
And they are doing it again, with approval polls. Obama and Trump
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 1/19/17 at 7:24 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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Lying is just second nature to the left.
Alynski's rule #11.
quote:
11.“If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.”.
Substitute the word negative with lie.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 8:32 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
But now you're doing the opposite and saying it's irrefutably false, when frankly, we don't know either way for sure.
Yeah, we do because the sole source said it was.
You fricking idiot.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 9:14 pm to USMCTiger03
quote:I'm saying that I don't know whether Perry misunderstood his role. The article failed to make a compelling argument that it's the truth. That begin said, given Perry's previous stance to abolish the department, it was a head scratching choice. It's probably reasonable for anybody to be confused regarding his role, but I don't truly know one way or the other.
Yeah, we do because the sole source said it was.
You fricking idiot.
You, on the other hand, aren't arguing that the article made a poor argument and didn't prove it's point; you're arguing that the idea that Perry misunderstood his role, is irrefutably false.
Making an absolute claim one way or the other, based on the lack of information and the reasonableness of both sides, is illogical.
So while I'm admitting I don't know, which is logical, you're admitting you don't know, which is illogical. Yet, I'm the idiot?
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:01 pm to buckeye_vol
You are truly fricking stupid.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm arguing. Does this twisting around the other persons argument but usually reap rewards among the idiotic people you associate with?
quote:
You, on the other hand, aren't arguing that the article made a poor argument and didn't prove it's point;
Yes, that's exactly what I'm arguing. Does this twisting around the other persons argument but usually reap rewards among the idiotic people you associate with?
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