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re: Estate taxes

Posted on 9/30/23 at 9:26 am to
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 9/30/23 at 9:26 am to
you simply do not understand

they want 45% of all your assets--they basically set the values--the land, the equipment, the trademarks--everything.

What if they decided to take 45% of your assets every 20 years?
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
18038 posts
Posted on 9/30/23 at 9:31 am to
Whenever a gooooooooooooooooooooberment needs to alter a tax, it should be voted on by the people.

It is the only way we can get the goooooooooooooooooooooberment we want.
Posted by Peebles
Member since Jul 2022
222 posts
Posted on 9/30/23 at 9:31 am to
Minus 13 million bucks. You left that part out.


Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 9/30/23 at 9:37 am to
$5 million in 2025

BUT why should there be any??? if you are going to take 45% of an individuals assets why not take everybody's? why not take yours?? oh the same tax is on gifts too--it you give away money you owe a gift tax

you just do like people with more money than you---folks that paid more taxes than you, took more chances than you, employ more people than you ect.
This post was edited on 9/30/23 at 9:40 am
Posted by did_u_c_that
Member since Dec 2022
87 posts
Posted on 9/30/23 at 10:32 am to
This thread seems to be complaining about the rich elites. If you have assets worth more than the estate tax exemption, deal with it before you pass away.

Estate planning has been around a long time, if the family estate is worth protecting, do it. Otherwise, it just reflects badly on the originators of the wealth.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135728 posts
Posted on 9/30/23 at 10:40 am to
quote:

I know it will be painful, but the only way out of this debt is inflation.
Unfortunately, d/t debt load, we're closing in on fiscal dominance.

The higher we inflate, the greater the cost-of-carry, and given a $34T debt, CofC is the elephant in the room.

At an annual 4% CofC, we're adding ~$1.4T to the budget in interest alone. ~$2T at an annual 6% CofC. That is juxtaposed against $6T of non-interest outlays, and $5T in revenue.

IOW, at a 6% CofC Total outlay would be $8T. With $5T in revenue, the deficit pops to $3T. Tough to inflate out of that without dramatic budget cuts.
Posted by Peebles
Member since Jul 2022
222 posts
Posted on 9/30/23 at 10:53 am to
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Just another way to frick the middle class,


The middle class doesn't have 13 million dollar fortunes to pass down.
Posted by Peebles
Member since Jul 2022
222 posts
Posted on 9/30/23 at 10:57 am to
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$5 million in 2025


Maybe. Politicians seem to have an easier time of renewing existing tax exemptions than passing new ones though.

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BUT why should there be any???


I mean, why should anyone be taxed, amirite? Government ? We don't need that. Tear it all down. Just a bunch of wokist trannies who hate Jesus.

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you just do like people with more money than you---folks that paid more taxes than you, took more chances than you, employ more people than you ect.


That's not true though, you made it up.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57225 posts
Posted on 9/30/23 at 10:58 am to
The estate tax doesn’t make the slightest dent in receipts. The annual receipts from the estate tax are less than what we sent the Ukraine this year. It is simply a tax dems use to pander to the masses and play on their envy.

Death should not be a taxable event. Period.
This post was edited on 9/30/23 at 11:05 am
Posted by Peebles
Member since Jul 2022
222 posts
Posted on 9/30/23 at 11:21 am to
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The estate tax doesn’t make the slightest dent in receipts. The annual receipts from the estate tax are less than what we sent the Ukraine this year. It is simply a tax dems use to pander to the masses and play on their envy.



Hey my taxes made an even lesser dent in receipts, maybe I should be exempt from taxation.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57225 posts
Posted on 9/30/23 at 11:27 am to
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Hey my taxes made an even lesser dent in receipts, maybe I should be exempt from taxation.


You were taxed on your income. As are the wealthy. While I’m not a fan of that, you have the option to not earn an income and pay no taxes. Additionally, you are part of a class (presumably) that makes up a huge percentage of receipts. Not nearly as much as the wealthy, though. Death should not be a taxable event. Period.

If you’re looking to increase receipts, look to the 52% that pay no income taxes. Or perhaps the government should do away with the exemption all together and take 40 percent of your estate when you die.

If the estate tax exemption gets low enough it would absolutely destroy the economy. Though, you dems are usually good at that.
This post was edited on 9/30/23 at 11:34 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135728 posts
Posted on 9/30/23 at 11:35 am to
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I don't even know anyone with a net worth exceeding 13 million
Armchair scientists, I believe was your term.

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they can't pay the taxes on it somebody should have planned better.
... valuable input from someone who doesn't "even know anyone with a net worth exceeding 13 million."

The problem, Peebles, comes when an estate is non-fungible, and the tax burden exceeds cash assets on hand. To generate cash for tax payments, the estate has to be liquidated, often for a price far less than tax value.
Posted by Peebles
Member since Jul 2022
222 posts
Posted on 9/30/23 at 11:44 am to
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You were taxed on your income.


Yeah. Income that I worked for. I'd much rather be taxed on passive income than income I had to fight for.


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As are the wealthy.


Surel I guess if you consider a capital gain to not actually be a gain. Weird how when the assessed value of my home goes up, my taxes go up even thought I haven't realized that gain, but somehow if my dad's stock portfolio increases in market value and he dies without realising the gain, I shouldn't be taxed on that.

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look to the 52% that pay no income taxes.


You mean the people with no money? Yeah brilliant plan maybe we can pass a 10000% tax on incomes less than 30k a year and solve all our debt problems.

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If the estate tax exemption gets low enough it would absolutely destroy the economy.


How? If the current exception expires, I'll be on the hook for the estate tax at some point. I may be even without it expiring, only time will tell. What am I gonna do with that money? Am I gonna rush out and spend it all? No way. Low risk investments and forget it's even there is my plan outside of whatever chunk I wanna give to charity. But whatever taxes the government takes from it will be spent into the economy fairly quickly. So it's hard to see how it would be better.
This post was edited on 9/30/23 at 11:46 am
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57225 posts
Posted on 9/30/23 at 11:49 am to
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The problem, Peebles, comes when an estate is non-fungible, and the tax burden exceeds cash assets on hand. To generate cash for tax payments, the estate has to be liquidated, often for a price far less than tax value.



This. It can absolutely destroy a closely held company. Even if they can use 6166, the ongoing obligation cripples the ongoing operations. It is a disaster for the family and if widespread enough a complete disaster for the economy.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57225 posts
Posted on 9/30/23 at 11:52 am to
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Yeah. Income that I worked for. I'd much rather be taxed on passive income than income I had to fight for.


Go for it. You do realize that for lost of us passive income is income earned on income we “fought for” and already paid taxes on, right?


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You mean the people with no money? Yeah brilliant plan maybe we can pass a 10000% tax on incomes less than 30k a year and solve all our debt problems.

Strange response. Usually dems are all about everyone paying their “fair share.”

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How?


See above. You clearly have not thought through the potential consequences. Or don’t have the ability or knowledge to even be able to do so. But hey, as long as you stick it to the rich, right?

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Low risk investments and forget it's even there is my plan outside of whatever chunk I wanna give to charity. But whatever taxes the government takes from it will be spent into the economy fairly quickly. So it's hard to see how it would be better.


Yikes. You sound the the IRS attorney at my first tax court trial. “The problem BBONDS is that your clients are acting like it is their money.”

I will never see eye to eye with people, like you, who think it’s all the governments money and they decide what we are allowed to keep.
This post was edited on 9/30/23 at 11:54 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135728 posts
Posted on 9/30/23 at 11:54 am to
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Weird how when the assessed value of my home goes up, my taxes go up
That is not true of course. Your home value is only reassessed every four years or so.
Posted by LSUvet72
Member since Sep 2013
13103 posts
Posted on 9/30/23 at 11:58 am to
Fock that "you didnt build that" MFer ,commie ,gay blade.

Father should have pulled out before he pro-created that SOB who's third term must cum to and end...NOW

Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57225 posts
Posted on 9/30/23 at 12:00 pm to
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Weird how when the assessed value of my home goes up, my taxes go upThat is not true of course. Your home value is only reassessed every four years or so.


Not to mention he is confusing state and local taxes with federal taxes.
This post was edited on 9/30/23 at 12:01 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135728 posts
Posted on 9/30/23 at 12:03 pm to
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he is confusing state and local taxes with federal taxes.
Yep.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5583 posts
Posted on 9/30/23 at 1:40 pm to
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Society should demand that wealth is earned and that control over it doesn’t extend decades or centuries beyond the grave.


I’m not a fan is estate taxes, but I largely agree with this. In the not so distance past, most civil law jurisdictions prohibited trusts in part to move away from a system of feudalism that preserved land and wealth for a few families indefinitely. Ownership should not be split between control rights and beneficiary rights.

Don’t tax Billy Madison’s inheritance, but give it to him with full control and ownership. If he sends it up his nose or otherwise squanders it - oh well that is to someone else’s gain. But allowing land and capital to be locked away in trusts has some interesting public policy considerations.
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