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EO is a chess move... Courts will strike it down ASAP
Posted on 6/20/18 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 6/20/18 at 6:12 pm
This EO is extremely weak... I’m pretty sure this was done to quiet the attack dogs, and have the court strike it down quickly... which then puts even more pressure on Congress to legislate, forcing the Dems to either back the GOP bill in the senate, or argue for open borders.
This is good politics by Trump and turning a damaging story, into a potential ad against open border democrats for every Republican running
This is good politics by Trump and turning a damaging story, into a potential ad against open border democrats for every Republican running
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Posted on 6/20/18 at 6:16 pm to Lsujacket66
Fantastic point. Anything to kill the blue wave idiocy.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 6:18 pm to Lsujacket66
Has anyone literally read the GOP proposed bill that will be voted on tomorrow and make its way to the senate?
It’s fricking God awful
It’s fricking God awful
Posted on 6/20/18 at 6:23 pm to Magician2
Yes, it is.
I hate the GOPe more than the Dems. The Dems are honest in their desire to frick me over.
I hate the GOPe more than the Dems. The Dems are honest in their desire to frick me over.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 6:23 pm to Magician2
Have not. What didn’t you like about it?
Posted on 6/20/18 at 6:26 pm to Lsujacket66
Posted on 6/20/18 at 6:31 pm to Magician2
quote:
Has anyone literally read the GOP proposed bill that will be voted on tomorrow and make its way to the senate?
It’s fricking God awful
I’m talking about the bill in the senate, not the house
Posted on 6/20/18 at 6:49 pm to Lsujacket66
He made them OWN their own faux outrage topic of the day.
He fixed the problem and laid in their lap to work with Pubs to fix it with legislation.
He's going to demand wall funding to do it.
MAGA you cucked mfers!
He fixed the problem and laid in their lap to work with Pubs to fix it with legislation.
He's going to demand wall funding to do it.
MAGA you cucked mfers!
Posted on 6/20/18 at 6:52 pm to BogeyGolf
I’m on the road right now. Check my post history. I posted an article about what’s in it in detail this morning.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 7:18 pm to Lsujacket66
This ain’t the old Democrats!
This was poorly planed, timed, and executed!
Planning:
Trump allows children to be detained with their parents INDEFINITELY! This violates a court compromise made for libtards decades ago! If allowed to stand Trumps detention no longer has a 20 day ticking clock!
if overruled, it’s not Trump but the courts separating them! 
Timing:
This was weak arsed political Trump hate BS from the get go. But it has enormous emotional potential, that can energize the libtard base and chill Trumps support. But because it’s BS that was easily countered, the truth will out everyday, and it shows the DNC/MSM Political Complex as deceptive arseholes! This boomerangs in two weeks!
This should have been dropped a couple of days before the midterms!
Execution:
Having old Elijah crying in the Senate and Hawaiian lightweight say Trump’s literally Hitler was an excellent opening move. But Schumer fumbled it demanding Trump sign an EO! He should have demanded immediate legislation to fix “Trump’s inhumanity” and forced concessions!
Tip O’Neil would NOT have misplayed this trick play so poorly!
I guess the DNC/MSM Political Complex has lost it’s edge playing against the 3rd rate GOPe cucks.
FDR’s rolling in his grave, and Trump is laughing in the White House!
This was poorly planed, timed, and executed!
Planning:
Trump allows children to be detained with their parents INDEFINITELY! This violates a court compromise made for libtards decades ago! If allowed to stand Trumps detention no longer has a 20 day ticking clock!
if overruled, it’s not Trump but the courts separating them! Timing:
This was weak arsed political Trump hate BS from the get go. But it has enormous emotional potential, that can energize the libtard base and chill Trumps support. But because it’s BS that was easily countered, the truth will out everyday, and it shows the DNC/MSM Political Complex as deceptive arseholes!
This boomerangs in two weeks! This should have been dropped a couple of days before the midterms!
Execution:
Having old Elijah crying in the Senate and Hawaiian lightweight say Trump’s literally Hitler was an excellent opening move. But Schumer fumbled it demanding Trump sign an EO! He should have demanded immediate legislation to fix “Trump’s inhumanity” and forced concessions!
Tip O’Neil would NOT have misplayed this trick play so poorly!
I guess the DNC/MSM Political Complex has lost it’s edge playing against the 3rd rate GOPe cucks.
FDR’s rolling in his grave, and Trump is laughing in the White House!
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 6/20/18 at 7:38 pm to Lsujacket66
quote:On what grounds exactly? I understand that there are certain provisions (children's welfare at risk; length of time before turning over to HHS), but this EO specifically addresses the welfare aspect and doesn't exclude any other provisions either.
Courts will strike it down ASAP
They don't how to seperate families, provided it doesn't meet those exceptions, so why would the EO get struck down for merely stating that they can't do what they don't how to do anyways?
Posted on 6/20/18 at 7:41 pm to buckeye_vol
The law states that juveniles cannot be detained for more than 20 days. If the parents refuse to stipulate to removal, their time being detained will be well beyond that. What do we do with the kids after 20 days?. The EO directs the DOJ to ask the court to modify their order. If they don't, kids will still be ripped from their parents. They just won't be put in "cages". Democrats will still whine. It's already started. The NY Times is calling Trumps EO unconstitutional and explains why Obama had to separate families. Durbin is protesting families being detained. It's bizarro world.
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 6/20/18 at 7:42 pm to Lsujacket66
For someone ignorant to this, will someone educate me on why this will be struck down? Honest question
Posted on 6/20/18 at 7:43 pm to bamarep
quote:Do people get credit for fixing a problem based upon something they already have control over anyways, especially if they had made the problem worse and after public pressure to do so?
He fixed the problem
Posted on 6/20/18 at 7:45 pm to Magician2
quote:
Has anyone literally read the GOP proposed bill that will be voted on tomorrow and make its way to the senate?
It’s fricking God awful
Let’s hope the Dims vote it down
Posted on 6/20/18 at 7:47 pm to BBONDS25
quote:But I didn't see anything in that EO that would contradict this, which I stated in my post.
The law states that juveniles cannot be detained for more than 20 days.
quote:Then follow the law, and give parents warning of this whether to speed up the process on their end or allow them to prepare.
What do we do with the kids after 20 days?
quote:That's probably true, but it's irrelevant to why the court will strike it down ASAP.
Democrats will still whine.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 7:48 pm to buckeye_vol
Trump is trying to force them to bend the knee or advocate for open borders.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 7:50 pm to AU_251
quote:
For someone ignorant to this, will someone educate me on why this will be struck down? Honest question
It violates a judicial consent decree without an underlying change of law. To change law congress must pass legislation and POTUS must sign.
Now a libtard judge must strike it down and take the blame, or let it stand and remove the ticking 20 day clock!
5D chess!
MAGA!
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 6/20/18 at 7:52 pm to Tiger Roux
quote:If by "bending the knee" you mean "get some legislation done" then I can see that although I think the outrage has as much or even more to do with that than anything.
Trump is trying to force them to bend the knee or advocate for open borders.
Of course, despite the absolutes that any position will be put into, there is a huge spectrum of space between open borders and shutting them down completly, although neither side would like the other side to have the benefit of that space.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 7:58 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
But I didn't see anything in that EO that would contradict this, which I stated in my post
Agreed. He just directed the DOJ to ask the court to amend their ruling. When they say no, that is essentially ending the EO (except for the first 20 days). It kicks the can. It is why Trump (and formerly Obama) have been saying it is up to congress to fix it. This entire episode will be front and center again in 20 days. Trump saying "I told you so" and Dems saying "trump is literally Hitler". Just wait.
ETA:
quote:
Then follow the law, and give parents warning of this whether to speed up the process on their end or allow them to prepare.
Parents have that choice now. If they stipulate to removal it takes hours to send the family back. They aren't stipulating. They won't after 20 days either. All the EO does is kick the can 20 days.
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 8:00 pm
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