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re: Economy "Falling of a Cliff"

Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:26 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:26 pm to
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This makes it worse for Democrats now.


Most indicators lag, so no. They'll blame Trump.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467354 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:27 pm to
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Show the lies and manipulated numbers.

If Trump does this, he will be associated with these worse numbers

The only place this will resonate as a Trump win is within the echo chamber.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:28 pm to
I dont know why this is a surprise on this board, some of us have been saying this for years.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467354 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:30 pm to
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I dont know why this is a surprise on this board, some of us have been saying this for years.


Just go back to any thread from like 2021 or 2022 when people were blaming Biden for inflation and deflecting from people pointing out that was Trump's inflation. This will answer any question as to how the DEMs can spin it in the next few years.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297825 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:31 pm to
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Just go back to any thread from like 2021 or 2022 when people were blaming Biden for inflation and deflecting from people pointing out that was Trump's inflation.


Yep, thats exactly how it will play out here too, just the players reversed.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:32 pm to
Just you wait !!!!!!
Posted by John Barron
The Mar-a-Lago Club
Member since Sep 2024
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Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:33 pm to
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You think the public is going to tolerate press conferences where Trump is blaming everyone else while things are crashing?


Nothing is going to crash. But Trump has to be honest about how Biden and company were cooking the books. The public wants the Truth. Can you imagine what we don't know yet? There was so much Corruption and Manipulating numbers that will be a big reveal. If I am Trump I am naming a Corruption Czar to report on these numbers. Kinda like they are doing with DOGE. You have to show the Corruption to the American people. These 4 years should be about burying the Deepstate and the Corruption and that includes the false economic reporting.
Posted by LSUFreek
Greater New Orleans
Member since Jan 2007
15916 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:33 pm to
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And it will be TRUMPs fault......get ready for that narrative

As long as it's not permanently saddled to Vance, I don't care what the legacy media says about Trump.

Furthermore, in roughly two years, regardless of an inherited recession, the economy & job opportunities will be booming after de-regulations, oil production, tariffs, Made in America incentives, etc. the possible economic stench will have worn off both Trump & Vance.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467354 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:35 pm to
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Yep, thats exactly how it will play out here too, just the players reversed.


This literal exact scenario has already played out on here, just with the roles switched.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467354 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:37 pm to
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Nothing is going to crash. But Trump has to be honest about how Biden and company were cooking the books. The public wants the Truth. Can you imagine what we don't know yet? There was so much Corruption and Manipulating numbers that will be a big reveal. If I am Trump I am naming a Corruption Czar to report on these numbers. Kinda like they are doing with DOGE. You have to show the Corruption to the American people. These 4 years should be about burying the Deepstate and the Corruption and that includes the false economic reporting.


The only people who will give a shite about this during a major recession are those already in the Cult of MAGA posting the same stories over and over again in the echo chamber.

Everyone else will be looking for solutions and worried about their job/financial security and wondering why Trump isn't fixing it.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:38 pm to
I hope you're right, but I'm not optimistic. I have a doomer outlook generally, though.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467354 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:38 pm to
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Furthermore, in roughly two years, regardless of an inherited recession, the economy & job opportunities will be booming after de-regulations, oil production, tariffs, Made in America incentives, etc.


No.

If those things work, the DEM winner in 2028 will likely get to claim the fruits of the efforts. There is a long lag in policy and tactile economic impacts for voters.
Posted by John Barron
The Mar-a-Lago Club
Member since Sep 2024
17101 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:42 pm to
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Most indicators lag, so no. They'll blame Trump


They can't. Everyone knows the economy is shite. Can you imagine when we find out Biden and company were actually manipulating the numbers. Pam Bondi will have to go after the economic fraud that happened. Can you imagine when the American public finds out Illegal Aliens were getting more money than they were told. None of this was covered in the press. The American public does not know about it. That will change now. When the President of the United States has a emergency press conference telling the American public about the fraud, they will have to cover it.
Posted by John Barron
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Member since Sep 2024
17101 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:50 pm to
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The only people who will give a shite about this during a major recession are those already in the Cult of MAGA 


You are such a dumbass If it turns out Biden was cooking the books and people are arrested for it, they will be blamed for it. That's like people not blaming Enron when they went bankrupt. Maga is now 80 million people who don't believe or trust the government. Wait until they find out Biden was cooking the books and reporting manipulated numbers
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
25234 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:51 pm to
After 4 years of Biden and his Marxist hen string pullers policies, it is no wonder. Trump will turn it around quickly. The Trump effect is already boosting confidence across the board.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467354 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:52 pm to
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If it turns out Biden was cooking the books and people are arrested for it, they will be blamed for it.


Let's just assume your fantasy does happen.

What does that have to do with the terrible economy Trump is overseeing, at that point?

Trump was already elected for a shaky economy under Biden. Revealing it was worse than the numbers say means nothing at this hypothetical point in the future.

quote:

Maga is now 80 million people



The sad part is I think you actually believe this silliness.
Posted by John Barron
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Member since Sep 2024
17101 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:54 pm to
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The only place this will resonate as a Trump win is within the echo chamber


You were the same clown that said MAGA was only 30% of the party. You were wrong. Just like you were wrong about "Crime is going down" You will be wrong about this also. Imagine thinking the American public will blame the incoming administration when they find out the old economic numbers were being cooked. You are a special kind of dumbass
Posted by John Barron
The Mar-a-Lago Club
Member since Sep 2024
17101 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:56 pm to
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I hope you're right, but I'm not optimistic. I have a doomer outlook generally, though.


Yeah you do. You were worried about North Carolina because of D +6 sample polls
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467354 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:56 pm to
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You were the same clown that said MAGA was only 30% of the party.

If that.

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You were wrong.

The data does not agree. Where are all these MAGA Senators and Reps? MAGA is still a massive minority within the GOP ranks of elected officials in DC.

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Imagine thinking the American public will blame the incoming administration when they find out the old economic numbers were being cooked.

Clearly you didn't see all the stupid "I did that" stickers in 2021-2022 when America was clearly suffering from inflation caused by printing/spending during the Trump admin.

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You are a special kind of dumbass

I bet you also were one of the "I did that" cohort
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133691 posts
Posted on 12/15/24 at 4:56 pm to
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This Chart Proves That We Are In A Major Economic Downturn Right Now
No, it doesn't. As usual ZeroHedge is fake news.

It proves the Fed's rate hikes, which started in the 1st quarter of 2022 after the worst of COVID was over, to shrink the money supply to cool the economy, worked.

And that is why the Fed started reducing rates with a .50% cut in the Fed Funds rate effective September 18 of this year. It was the first rate cut since 2020.

The Fed is attempting to navigate the economy into the ever elusive "soft landing."

There is always a 12-18 month time lag between rate increases and reductions before their effect becomes apparent in the economy.
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