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re: Ebola scare. should we ALL be worried?
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:24 pm to Navytiger74
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:24 pm to Navytiger74
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. It's not a very communicable disease.
it is more communicable then you let on, and can survive on surface for several days.
For example an infected persons blood or sweat can stay virus active for several days outside of a host.
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1. It's only killed about 1600 people in 40 years.
because it was mostly confined to rural communities with little outside contact. Currently there have been outbreaks in population centers with access to global travel.
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2. West African and international aid efforts were able to successfully contain it--in the 1970s.
3. Our preventative protocols are light-years beyond Africa's--today and as of the 1970s.
Except that there are 5 strains. This is the Zaire strain , the first strain discovered and the most deadly. interestingly there are some strains which have zero lethality.
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4. It is not thought to be communicable in incubation. So if someone isn't showing signs, they aren't contagious (limits the whole "a person without an obvious infection contaminating an entire flight").
FALSE.
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COMMUNICABILITY: Communicable as long as blood, secretions, organs, or semen contain the virus
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5. It requires close/intimate contact--with fluids found in blood, bloody vomit, and bloody stool. It is also present in sweat and saliva, but not thought to be in concentrations high enough to transmit.
it has also been shown in laboratory studies to be airborne. and aersolization through sneezing presents a major concern.
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7. FLight crews that travel to that part of the world are trained to look for signs of infection of Ebola and a host of other diseases, and have quarantine protocols for transnational flights.
With an incubation period of about a week, it may be difficult to tell.
but dont take my word, here's the MSDS sheet that could have easily cleared up your several incosnistencies, navy. I guess today isnt going that well for you either.
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Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:24 pm to Navytiger74
quote:Neither by that measure is HepC, Herpes, HIV, Cholera, etc.
It's not a very communicable disease.
Point being it is a damn deadly bug.
It also allows for a long period of asymptomatic carrier transport rendering the "flight crew screening" relatively moot.
Bottomline: Based on what we saw in Charlotte this week, we should be concerned.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:25 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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You're killing your father Larry
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:27 pm to NC_Tigah
Charlotte?!?! Sorry, I must have missed that story. Can you please explain? Thanks.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:29 pm to LarrytheGolfer
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Ebola scare. should we ALL be worried?
There's more money to be made if everyone is panicked.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:29 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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I'm not scared of the med-evac. But, I find it pretty reckless that the father of two put himself in that position. Sorry, i don't do the "Awww, how brave and giving" routine.
I respect your opinion on the matter, but the man is by all indications a Christian who is doing exactly the kind of thing that Christ called his followers to do. He's an MD working for shite money in the worst conditions imaginable. And he just turned down his best chance of recovery within the last 24 hours so that a colleague might have it.
I'll do my best to not take a jab here, but most wouldn't expect atheists and objectivist followers of Ayn Rand to sympathize.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:30 pm to conservativewifeymom
The Texas professor that wants 90% of the worlds population to vanish likes this.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:31 pm to Navytiger74
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I'll do my best to not take a jab here, but most wouldn't expect atheists and objectivist followers of Ayn Rand to sympathize.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:31 pm to Navytiger74
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I respect your opinion on the matter, but the man is by all indications a Christian who is doing exactly the kind of thing that Christ called his followers to do. He's an MD working for shite money in the worst conditions imaginable. And he just turned down his best chance of recovery within the last 24 hours so that a colleague might have it.
I'll do my best to not take a jab here, but most wouldn't expect atheists and objectivist followers of Ayn Rand to sympathize.
I'd do the "awww, how brave and giving" routine were he not the father of two.
After that, I think he could serve his God and still take less risk that his children have to lose a father to a hemorrhagic disease in fricking Africa. Sorry. He has responsibilities at home to two children.
And, save the "atheists can't care" screed.
This post was edited on 7/31/14 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:33 pm to NC_Tigah
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Neither by that measure is HepC, Herpes, HIV, Cholera, etc.
And none of these has caused anything resembling a true "ZOMG let's make a I am Legend Movie" epidemic.
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Point being it is a damn deadly bug.
Well (clears throat and puts on smug face" Malaria kills a couple of million every year. Ebola has killed 1600 in 40 years. As someone who had to shite his guts out taking doxycycline as a prophylaxis for two years to avoid catching malaria, I'd like to inform you that there are plenty of deadly "bugs" out there.
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It also allows for a long period of asymptomatic carrier transport rendering the "flight crew screening" relatively moot.
It's not communicable when its hosts/victims are asymptomatic. Once they become symptomatic, they are easy enough to quarantine. It's not airborne.
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Bottomline: Based on what we saw in Charlotte this week, we should be concerned.
Been to West Africa. Zero "concerns" given.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:35 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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And, save the "atheists can't care" screed.
Maybe some atheists "do care". But Ayn sure as frick wouldn't. I honestly thought your were a subscriber. If not, you have my apologies. No shite.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:35 pm to Navytiger74
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It's not communicable when its hosts/victims are asymptomatic.
Research and the MSDS sheets say otherwise.
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It's not airborne.
Studies in laboratory environments show airborne transmission in animals AND it can survive on surfaces for several days.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:38 pm to conservativewifeymom
quote:Drudge Headline today: "Ebola Fear in Charlotte" LINK
Charlotte?!?! Sorry, I must have missed that story. Can you please explain? Thanks.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:39 pm to CptBengal
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CptBengal
You agreed with me on this on the OT not 72 hours ago. LINK
You must be off your meds, or looking for a fight.
Anyway, do some digging. I did a project on this in a medical ethics course in 2002. I also studied these diseases when I was deployed around Africa from late '10 to early '12.
This post was edited on 7/31/14 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:40 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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it really isn't that difficult to contain..IN FIRST WORLD CONDITIONS
Well their being treated at Emory here in Atlanta...I wouldn't send my dog to that hospital after watching my brother being treated there with pancreatic cancer last fall. He was in the ICU multiple times and developed multiple superbug infections...mainly C Diff and an unknown infection ultimately killed 'em. Superbugs are everywhere...I sure as hell would never get treated or trust that hospital to contain any type of bug or virus.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:41 pm to Navytiger74
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You must be off your meds, or looking for a fight.
i did more research. As agood scientidt, it behooves me to alter my opinions as i learn more.
I provided you with the MSDS sheet, which contains the research literature itself. Some of which is available on google scholar.
I suggest you further educate yourself at this point, and join the side of knowledge.
but I do enjoy your pathetic little jabs when you're shown to be wrong.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:41 pm to Navytiger74
quote:From someone of your apparent intellect, that is an inexcusably imbecilic statement. Sorry, but it is.
Been to West Africa. Zero "concerns" given.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:43 pm to Navytiger74
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But Ayn sure as frick wouldn't. I honestly thought your were a subscriber.
Meh...I like Atlas Shrugged. But, I like lots of things without being a zealot and taking EVERYTHING or to an extreme.
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If not, you have my apologies. No shite.
Not necessary. I'm not offended and you have every right to say I'm an a-hole on a given opinion. It is simply my own assholery and NOT because of atheism.
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:44 pm to NC_Tigah
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Drudge Headline today: "Ebola Fear in Charlotte"
Your LINK's title:
Official: Preliminary test of CMC patient shows malaria
Posted on 7/31/14 at 6:45 pm to conservativewifeymom
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Thank you, I appreciate the insight! I have to say that the very thought of some tourist coming into the country with Ebola by plane was making me very nervous, given the porous and very poorly monitored borders we have.
Not to throw gas on the worry-fire...but I would less fear the casual tourist, than one of the ISIS fanatics who holds a US Passport. The virus has a 20 day incubation period; a martyr could book a trip...get a quick exposure from a live bodily-fluid virus before boarding, and stroll through NY spreading the cheer before the stuff really kicked in. A team of these sociopaths like in 9-11, could be a real problem; if there is a way to transport a viable virus.
Regardless, the survival rate over here would be more like %50; we'd get the handle on it pretty quick.
They need to close that border and revoke passports from shady individuals. ASAP.
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