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re: Due To Age Related Infirmities,None Of The 12 Pearl Harbor Survivors Will Attend Memorial:
Posted on 12/12/25 at 7:27 pm to Narax
Posted on 12/12/25 at 7:27 pm to Narax
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No thats what toomer did, none of those vets support his fringe theory, but he basically tried to turn their story into an advertisement for his fringe views.
Here is another “fringe” site — The Wall Street Journal — reporting on the documented fact that the Roosevelt Administration conducted a misinformation campaign against Admiral Husband Kimmel to distract from their own failures.
The Admiral Who Took the Fall for Pearl Harbor…
On Wednesday, the 75th anniversary of Japan’s surprise attack on Pearl Harbor, many Americans bowed their heads to remember. But for one American family, the date will be one more mournful milestone in a largely forgotten personal drama stemming from the event that brought the U.S. into World War II.
They are the grandchildren and relatives of Adm. Husband Kimmel, who commanded the U.S. Pacific Fleet at the time. After Japan’s attack, Kimmel was singled out for blame and disgrace, along with Lt. Gen. Walter Short, who commanded the U.S. Army’s forces in Hawaii. Kimmel was relieved of his command, costing him two of his four stars, and pressured into retirement. Following a brief investigation, a presidential commission found Kimmel and Short guilty of “dereliction of duty.”
In fact, officers in Washington, not the commanders in Hawaii, should have borne the lion’s share of the blame for the surprise at Pearl Harbor. Throughout 1941, Navy headquarters had failed to meet Kimmel’s repeated requests for more reconnaissance planes and crew, which might have made it possible to spot the Japanese strike force as it approached Hawaii.
Worse, Washington had failed to pass along intelligence pointing to Pearl Harbor as a likely target—denying Kimmel key data that could have alerted him to Tokyo’s plans. Hesitation and incompetence in the final hours before the attack—not least by Adm. Harold Stark, the chief of naval operations—meant that a last-minute warning didn’t reach Kimmel until eight hours after the attack began.
Thomas and Edward Kimmel, both Navy veterans, devoted their later years to trying to persuade the Navy to rehabilitate their father’s reputation. “The military in them said, ‘You cannot leave a wronged man out there high and dry.’ You do things right. You do things with honor,” said Ginger Herrick,Thomas Kimmel’s daughter.
The first breakthrough came in 1986, when the Pearl Harbor Survivors Association—which then had some 10,000 members—voted for a tribute to Kimmel and Short. In 1990, the group voted in favor of posthumously elevating the commanders to the ranks they had in Dec. 1941.
In 1991, 36 admirals—including four former chiefs of naval operations and 10 former commanders of the Pacific Fleet—signed a petition to President George H.W. Bush urging him to restore Kimmel and Short’s ranks. That year, a bipartisan group of U.S. senators backed the request, but Mr. Bush’s military assistant wrote Kimmel’s sons that doing so “would do no honor to the Admiral and might very well tear the tapestry that time and history have so thoughtfully woven.”
In fact, time had woven a durable tapestry of misinformation around the case. A 1995 Pentagon study concluded that the blame for U.S. lapses at Pearl Harbor should be “broadly shared.”
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Posted on 12/12/25 at 7:43 pm to Toomer Deplorable
One of the biggest honors I had while stationed in Hawaii was being on the Arizona with survivors of the Pearl Harbor attack
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:24 pm to trinidadtiger
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when I drove through that community American flags flew on every house, a small reminder, like one of the survivors, who refused to be interviewed about that faithful day but said "You just tell em freedom aint free".
Thanks for sharing that trini. Seeing you and SEK in this thread — and some of the responses above — sure makes me miss the shuttered Auburn poliboard.
I know several of the old regs such as SEK and SpotCheckBilly actually grew up in Auburn and thus were raised in a community in which vigorous academic debate was not only acceptable, it was encouraged. Situations invariably change and time inevitably marches on but I sure miss the old Toomer’s Corner.
Yes, I know it was a niche site since most us had Auburn connections. Yet despite all our intense debates, I can’t remember anyone woolgathering bizarre violent fantasies involving centenarians over a political disagreement!
This post was edited on 12/12/25 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:50 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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Here is another “fringe” site — The Wall Street Journal — reporting on the documented fact that the Roosevelt Administration conducted a misinformation campaign against Admiral Husband Kimmel to distract from their own failures.
Is that your only argument?
That post disaster, scapegoats were found?
Do you blame Japan for starting the Pacific war, or do you blame Roosevelt?
Posted on 12/13/25 at 7:17 am to Narax
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Is that your only argument?
That post disaster, scapegoats were found?
Do you blame Japan for starting the Pacific war, or do you blame Roosevelt?
I am sorry you seem to be having difficulty here yet I have made my argument clear, multiple times, in simple language that any reasonably bright middle schooler could understand. I can’t understand the argument for you; that is up to you.
Now, some questions for you: Are you still fantasizing about seeing Pearl Harbor survivors punch me in the nose because you are triggered by an opposing opinion? And do you generally look upon the aged and infirm to fight your battles?
Posted on 12/13/25 at 7:23 am to Toomer Deplorable
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I am sorry you seem to be having difficulty here yet I have made my argument clear, multiple times, in simple language that any reasonably bright middle schooler could understand. I can’t understand the argument for you; that is up to you.
You posted it.
In clear language again and again you have blames America and defended its foes.
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Are you still fantasizing about seeing Pearl Harbor survivors punch me in the nose because you are triggered by an opposing opinion?
Yea if you are sick enough to try to cloak your overt conspiracy theory in their story.
You can pretend all you want that somehow a Pearl Harbor survivors organization supporting the reputation of the military commanders some how justifies you posting that disturbing idea from that book that we were trying to get into a war with Japan.
Now,
Do you blame Japan for starting the Pacific war, or do you blame Roosevelt?
Can you answer that question simply.
Or will you slink away again.
This post was edited on 12/13/25 at 7:33 am
Posted on 12/13/25 at 7:33 am to CAD703X
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so you're fine w/ that 220,000 number and the fact the *MEDIAN* age is 87.
Yeah, I believe I am. The Holocaust ended 80 years ago and the people who lived through it are now among the oldest of our population. The youngest survivors were children during the war, while the oldest were adults. Those who are alive today would be in their 80s and 90s in 2025, with the youngest possible survivor being 80.
This post was edited on 12/13/25 at 7:36 am
Posted on 12/13/25 at 7:48 am to Narax
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You posted it.
In clear language again and again you have blames America and defended its foes.
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You are simpleton.
Posted on 12/13/25 at 7:53 am to Toomer Deplorable
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You are simpleton.
Again you are out of arguments, every one of your claims have been conclusively smashed.
Throw all the fit you want, it was wrong of you to try to use the Pearl Harbor survivors story to push this foolish conspiracy theory that even you must now know was completely wrong.
It was wrong, you really do owe them an apology.
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