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re: “Due process” for deportations is as ridiculous as squatters rights.

Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:40 pm to
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:40 pm to
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That's referred to as the defensive asylum process and there absolutely is a process for this
Your characterization does not match USCIS stipulations and Homan has been clear about this. If you want to apply for asylum, do so through a legal port of entry. If you cross the border illegally, the US GOV has every right to deport you WITHOUT any sort of proceeding.

And for SFP

"person within its jurisdiction"

equals CITIZEN. Illegals are NOT within the jurisdiction of US law. I don't care how many lawyers get this wrong in any number of court cases for any number of decades and what their judicial title is. The 14th does not apply to people outside the jurisdiction of US law, i.e. illegals. The language is plain and facile. If you cross the border illegally, you are subject to the US military, such as the alien enemies act.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

There is a plain, unambiguous connection between the establishment of a citizen in the first sentence and the rights granted in the subsequent sentences. NONE of that applies to illegals. Precisely zero. You can cite an infinite number of legal precedents that disagree and they would all still be wrong. Lawyers/judges are not perfect.

The AEA is applicable because 20 mil people crossing the border illegally (some with the help of foreign nations) is absolutely a "predatory incursion." War is not the only stipulation of the act.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125243 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:41 pm to
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If ICE has a detainer for you, I don't think you can just say you're a citizen and expect them to walk away and drop it.


ICE didn’t have a detainer for him. What are you talking about? Are you changing situations because that one didn’t work?
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15905 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:42 pm to
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“Due process” for deportations is as ridiculous as squatters rights.


The hypocrisy of the board:

“Not everyone is afforded due process.”

“How dare you try to restrict gun ownership rights that are constitutionally protected.”
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21692 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:45 pm to
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ICE didn’t have a detainer for him.


I was referring to the article I posted two pages back.

LINK

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The 20-year-old’s first language is Tzotzil, a Mayan language, and he took a long pause when he was asked if he wanted to hire a private attorney or obtain a public defender. He lived in Mexico from the time he was 1-year-old until four years ago, when he returned to Georgia, his mother told the Phoenix.

The Homeland Security Investigations Office in Tampa issued the 48-hour ICE detainer on Thursday. An ICE officer whose name and phone number appear in the detainer refused to speak with the Phoenix.


Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125243 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:46 pm to
Good lord. You’re about a week behind on this case. Get caught up.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85659 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:47 pm to
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What Is Due Process in Immigration Context?

The right to a hearing before an immigration judge

The right to legal representation (at one’s own expense)

The right to present evidence and witnesses

The right to appeal decisions

But… there are exceptions and limitations, especially for recent arrivals or people with prior deportation orders.





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Under George W. Bush

1. Expedited Removal: Widely used for individuals apprehended within 100 miles of the border and within 14 days of entry. These individuals could be removed without seeing a judge.

Due process here was very limited—essentially just an interview with a border official.

2. Criminal Prosecution:
Under Operation Streamline, illegal border crossers were criminally prosecuted before deportation. Some critics argued defendants were rushed through mass hearings, sometimes pleading guilty in groups, raising due process concerns.

3. Detention Policies:
Increased use of mandatory detention, especially for people with criminal convictions or final removal orders. Detained individuals often faced limited access to lawyers.




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Under Barack Obama

1. Secure Communities & Due Process:
Since Secure Communities flagged undocumented immigrants in local jails, many ended up in deportation proceedings without serious criminal convictions. Critics argued that some were funneled into removal proceedings without adequate legal counsel or knowledge of their rights.

2. Expansion of Expedited Removal: Continued use of expedited removal meant many individuals—especially at or near the border—still had minimal due process, even if they had valid asylum claims.

3. Family Detention Centers:
Obama reintroduced family detention during the 2014 migrant crisis (this is where kids in cages came from). Advocates criticized this as a due process issue, especially for women and children without access to lawyers.

Asylum seekers often faced "credible fear" interviews while detained, with limited prep time or legal help.

4. Representation Gap:
Neither administration guaranteed a lawyer in immigration court, and most detained immigrants appeared pro se (without a lawyer). This is one of the biggest ongoing due process concerns.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21692 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 7:59 pm to
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Good lord. You’re about a week behind on this case. Get caught up.


The article I posted was from Thursday and mentioned ICE had a detainer for him along with a couple of other articles. If you have anything that says something different, I'd love to see it.
Posted by BertyFot
Member since Apr 2025
71 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:01 pm to
Once someone is inside the U.S., whether legally or not, the government must follow legal procedures before deporting them. That’s due process. If republicans cared about this issue, they would’ve passed Biden’s immigration bill.
Posted by HagaDaga
Member since Oct 2020
5723 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:05 pm to
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BertyFot
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Registered on:4/21/2025

STFU
Posted by BertyFot
Member since Apr 2025
71 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:08 pm to
No real substance in that response, lol. Guess you love Trump more than your country. Just admit you want a strongman with the ability to circumvent checks and balances.
This post was edited on 4/22/25 at 8:09 pm
Posted by HagaDaga
Member since Oct 2020
5723 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:10 pm to
Because your stupid lefties DU talking points are stupid. Someone who thinks illegal criminals need to be pandered too doesn't need to talk about love of country.
Posted by BertyFot
Member since Apr 2025
71 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:16 pm to
Due process is not pandering, it’s the law. It’s in the Constitution, the same document several Americans fought and died to protect which is why anyone not critical of this loves Trump and hates America. Also, a judge granted him legal protection, further proof that some people on the right, like you, only pretend to care about what’s legal and not. Go read a book.
Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
18764 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:17 pm to
Why does due process apply to one who is not a citizen? Never understood this? Gtfo
Posted by HagaDaga
Member since Oct 2020
5723 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:23 pm to
Illegals arent equal to Americans, and shouldn't get the same me level of due process as Americans. So no it's not hating America for believing that. And I believed that before Trump became President.

Enough due process for illegals is asking them their names, confirming they are illegal, and deport. Donezo.

We don't need idiots crying over illegals claiming they "are in the right side of history". GTFOH with that whiney soy garbage.
Posted by BertyFot
Member since Apr 2025
71 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:26 pm to
He was granted legal immunity by a judge. The law.

Yes, you do hate America because you do not believe in due process for all people, even if a judge grants them legal immunity. The law.

Due process is a constitutional right. If it’s not granted to “illegals” it will apply to Americans (which the president has said he’d like to do).

You aren’t special. Stop being a pick-me.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
32963 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:32 pm to
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He was granted legal immunity by a judge. The law.
If you’re talking about Garcia, you’re wrong.

He was not granted immunity, he was ordered not to sent back to El Salvador. Doesn’t mean he could not have been sent to another country.
This post was edited on 4/22/25 at 8:36 pm
Posted by HagaDaga
Member since Oct 2020
5723 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:33 pm to
Our Constitution doesn't cover citizens of the world. Im going to assume you are one of those "illegals have 2A rights and the right to vote" people too.

"Legal immunity" doesn't sound like "he's deportable, just not to country X". That's just stupid.
This post was edited on 4/22/25 at 8:34 pm
Posted by BertyFot
Member since Apr 2025
71 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:45 pm to
You’re right that Kilmar Abrego Garcia wasn’t granted full asylum or immunity, but the court’s ruling specifically prohibited his deportation to El Salvador due to the credible threat of persecution there.

So yes, theoretically, he could’ve been removed to a third country, but that’s not what happened. He was illegally deported to El Salvador which is a direct violation of a standing court order. That’s the issue.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85659 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:52 pm to
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Once someone is inside the U.S., whether legally or not, the government must follow legal procedures before deporting them. That’s due process. If republicans cared about this issue, they would’ve passed Biden’s immigration bill.


You didn’t cry about due process under Obama.



This is called information warfare. You are being brainwashed.





Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
32963 posts
Posted on 4/22/25 at 8:54 pm to
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You’re right that Kilmar Abrego Garcia wasn’t granted full asylum or immunity, but the court’s ruling specifically prohibited his deportation to El Salvador due to the credible threat of persecution there.

So yes, theoretically, he could’ve been removed to a third country, but that’s not what happened. He was illegally deported to El Salvador which is a direct violation of a standing court order. That’s the issue.
Well, there are no more gangs in El Salvador, so the order should be rescinded.

He’s home, and he’s staying there.
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