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BertyFot
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I do think there are probably some left leaning opinions that the left wishes were laws. Out of curiosity, what do you think are some left leaning beliefs that have either been proposed or codified by law and are supported universally by most liberal/democratic politicians?
Yes, no evidence. Any other facts you need me to explain, such as this one, or are you still committed to misunderstanding?
Provide an article or something.
re: Police Arrest Man For Reading Bible In Public
Posted by BertyFot on 4/22/25 at 10:33 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
Either I’ve been living under a rock or you’ve been led to believe that such a thing is widespread in America’s schools. Like the cat litter and pizza gate thing. Either that or you can cite where that’s happening, and if so, the results of it.
There’s no evidence he was a gang member. But even if he was, I don’t know.
I’m not aware of a public school teaching that. That seems extreme. Can you cite where that’s happening, what happened to the teacher or the school where this happened? What state standard does this fall under?
I don’t mind if it’s being read from a critical perspective, but do you want kids reading about the emissions of donkeys and men hung like horses? Or killing other children? Or stories about prostitution and concubines?
There’s no point in this argument. The right wants to use the government to enforce their beliefs on everyone. If you want your children to read the Bible, use your money to send them to private school. You have that option.
I don’t mind if it’s being read from a critical perspective, but do you want kids reading about the emissions of donkeys and men hung like horses? Or killing other children? Or stories about prostitution and concubines?
There’s no point in this argument. The right wants to use the government to enforce their beliefs on everyone. If you want your children to read the Bible, use your money to send them to private school. You have that option.
He was a target of a gang. He is a citizen of El Salvador.
Some people work for the government and have those days off? You should work on going to therapy instead of measuring your masculinity in arbitrary ways, ya pussy!
You did, yes. What facts would you like me to explain? Can you explicitly list them.
You aren’t committed to understanding what’s being said, and I honestly think you’re confusing yourself and might be slightly illiterate.
Yes, what claims would you like evidence for.
Biden did not open the border, so I’m not sure what you’re referring to. Can you cite a law or something? Also, who was leading BLM protests? I didn’t see many Biden or Obama flags at those? Didn’t hear Biden or Obama stoke violence? I also don’t remember Biden or Obama pardoning anybody. As for the Teslas, not sure who’s leading that either. Is it some imaginary invisible spooky “other side” you’ve been taught to be scared of so you can be coddled by a wanna be strongman? How many Jan. 6rs were pardoned? How many Trump flags were there? I see some differences. Looks like you have an imaginary boogeyman living rent free in your head.
re: This country lost its way trying to provide a social safety net and entitlements.
Posted by BertyFot on 4/22/25 at 10:17 pm to the808bass
I agreed with a point so now I’m a moron? That’s an intellectually lazy thing to say, stupid.
Let me break it down for you because it’s troubling for me to accept that you might be slightly illiterate or intellectually dishonest and lazy…or both, idk.
Yes, prior hearings ordered his removal.
But a later, legally binding court decision prohibited deportation to El Salvador, the specific country he was ultimately sent to.
That’s what made his deportation a violation of due process- not because he never had hearings, but because the outcome of his most recent legal protection was ignored.
Like you’re 5:
Imagine a kid gets in trouble at school and the teacher says, “You have to go home.” That’s the first decision.
But later, the principal says, “Wait, it’s not safe for you to go home right now. You can stay here instead.”
Then, someone ignores what the principal said and sends the kid home anyway—even though they were told not to.
That’s the problem. It’s not that the kid never got in trouble. It’s that the final rule that was supposed to protect him was ignored. That’s not fair, and it breaks the rules.
Again, concerned for your level of literacy, let me break down your other misconception.
Procedure is how the law is carried out (hearings, appeals, etc.).
Due process is the constitutional right to have those procedures followed fairly and completely, and for the outcome of those procedures to be respected.
In Garcia’s case:
He did go through the proper legal process (you just don’t like it)
A judge ruled he could not be sent to El Salvador. That ruling was legally binding. When the government deported him to El Salvador anyway, it ignored the result of due process, not just the procedure itself.
Break it down a bit more:
Imagine you play a game, and there are rules everyone has to follow.
Procedure is like making sure everyone takes turns and plays the game the right way.
Due process means that not only do you follow the steps, but you also listen to the final decision—like when the referee says, “This player wins” or “This player gets to stay.”
In Garcia’s case, the referee (a judge) said, “You can’t send him to El Salvador.”
But then someone (the government under Trump) ignored that and sent him there anyway, even though the game was over and the final call was made.
That’s not just unfair, it breaks the big rule that says you have to respect the result. That’s what due process is all about.
Also, I told you I was a neuroscientist botanist and I know everything.
Yes, prior hearings ordered his removal.
But a later, legally binding court decision prohibited deportation to El Salvador, the specific country he was ultimately sent to.
That’s what made his deportation a violation of due process- not because he never had hearings, but because the outcome of his most recent legal protection was ignored.
Like you’re 5:
Imagine a kid gets in trouble at school and the teacher says, “You have to go home.” That’s the first decision.
But later, the principal says, “Wait, it’s not safe for you to go home right now. You can stay here instead.”
Then, someone ignores what the principal said and sends the kid home anyway—even though they were told not to.
That’s the problem. It’s not that the kid never got in trouble. It’s that the final rule that was supposed to protect him was ignored. That’s not fair, and it breaks the rules.
Again, concerned for your level of literacy, let me break down your other misconception.
Procedure is how the law is carried out (hearings, appeals, etc.).
Due process is the constitutional right to have those procedures followed fairly and completely, and for the outcome of those procedures to be respected.
In Garcia’s case:
He did go through the proper legal process (you just don’t like it)
A judge ruled he could not be sent to El Salvador. That ruling was legally binding. When the government deported him to El Salvador anyway, it ignored the result of due process, not just the procedure itself.
Break it down a bit more:
Imagine you play a game, and there are rules everyone has to follow.
Procedure is like making sure everyone takes turns and plays the game the right way.
Due process means that not only do you follow the steps, but you also listen to the final decision—like when the referee says, “This player wins” or “This player gets to stay.”
In Garcia’s case, the referee (a judge) said, “You can’t send him to El Salvador.”
But then someone (the government under Trump) ignored that and sent him there anyway, even though the game was over and the final call was made.
That’s not just unfair, it breaks the big rule that says you have to respect the result. That’s what due process is all about.
Also, I told you I was a neuroscientist botanist and I know everything.
I can answer it, but you’re not committed to understanding, and I don’t have all the time in the world.
Social and economic. But it’s difficult to have dialogue with someone who is committed to misunderstanding.
The point here is that you don’t care about the law. Again, just admit you believe the president should have unilateral authority to do what ever he wants, and then you can get upset when “leftists” call him an authoritarian.
re: This country lost its way trying to provide a social safety net and entitlements.
Posted by BertyFot on 4/22/25 at 9:59 pm to Neutral Underground
I don’t think the government incentivizes single motherhood but I do agree that some welfare policies may have unintentionally penalized marriage, but that’s not the same as encouraging people to stay single or have more kids. I think several other factors play a role.
Let me break it down for you.
Garcia = “Person” Under the Law
The Fifth Amendment does not say “citizen” it says person.
That means all individuals on U.S. soil, regardless of immigration status, are entitled to due process protections under the Constitution. This has been upheld in multiple Supreme Court cases, including Zadvydas v. Davis (2001).
2. Garcia Was Granted Legal Protection by a Court
In 2019, a federal immigration judge granted Garcia withholding of removal—a legal status that:
Prohibits deportation to a country where the person faces persecution,
And is based on evidence and legal findings making it a legally binding decision under immigration law.
Deporting Him to El Salvador = Violation of Due Process
Despite that ruling, Garcia was deported to El Salvador anyway, a country he was legally barred from being sent to.
That action bypassed a lawful court order.
The government ignored a judicial process, removing him without lawful authority.
That’s exactly what the Fifth Amendment protects against: being deprived of liberty (his legal right to remain in the U.S.) without due process of law.
What questions do you have?
Garcia = “Person” Under the Law
The Fifth Amendment does not say “citizen” it says person.
That means all individuals on U.S. soil, regardless of immigration status, are entitled to due process protections under the Constitution. This has been upheld in multiple Supreme Court cases, including Zadvydas v. Davis (2001).
2. Garcia Was Granted Legal Protection by a Court
In 2019, a federal immigration judge granted Garcia withholding of removal—a legal status that:
Prohibits deportation to a country where the person faces persecution,
And is based on evidence and legal findings making it a legally binding decision under immigration law.
Deporting Him to El Salvador = Violation of Due Process
Despite that ruling, Garcia was deported to El Salvador anyway, a country he was legally barred from being sent to.
That action bypassed a lawful court order.
The government ignored a judicial process, removing him without lawful authority.
That’s exactly what the Fifth Amendment protects against: being deprived of liberty (his legal right to remain in the U.S.) without due process of law.
What questions do you have?
But…you were the one who said it was improper even though it was illegal…
Also, there is nor was there a law that opened the US border.
This is getting embarrassing for you. Are you even reading what you wrote?
Also, there is nor was there a law that opened the US border.
This is getting embarrassing for you. Are you even reading what you wrote?
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