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re: Driverless cars could cripple police departments.....those unions will fight
Posted on 5/21/14 at 1:17 pm to oldcharlie8
Posted on 5/21/14 at 1:17 pm to oldcharlie8
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if these cars malfunction and kill one person, the lawsuit will be astronomical.
Why any different than human caused accidents?
Whether accidents will occur or not should not be the issue. They are inevitable. What the issue should be is how many?
Car accidents are currently a top 10 cause of death in the U.S. Anyone scared about having computers driving us around on the road need to look outside. Accidents are more prevalent than ever.
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Posted on 5/21/14 at 1:26 pm to rintintin
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if these cars malfunction and kill one person, the lawsuit will be astronomical.
Why any different than human caused accidents?
Whether accidents will occur or not should not be the issue. They are inevitable. What the issue should be is how many?
Car accidents are currently a top 10 cause of death in the U.S. Anyone scared about having computers driving us around on the road need to look outside. Accidents are more prevalent than ever.
The issue is who is liable. Is it Google or is it the person chilling in the car that is being driven by a computer?
The legal battle will be more difficult than the actual technological innovation. In short, all cars need to be loaded into a master grid of GPS specific data and then the computer handles the rest.
The benefits of this are unbelievable.
1) No more traffic - all cars move relationally to one another - there is no delay from a "stop-go"...rather as the number of cars on a road increases, the other cars adjust in unison to compensate for the additional cars joining the road.
2)Because of the traffic benefits, huge environmental benefits - less gas usage.
3)No speeding/traffic citation issues
4)Exact arrival information
5)Exact departure time information (to arrive by a certain time)
6) Less accidents
7) Computer recording of how accidents exactly happened (not first hand accounts)
8) No rubber necking for accidents - computer adjusts to avoid the accident/stalled vehicle.
This is a quick list off the top of my head...this could literally be one of the best, most practical innovations in our lifetime, IMO. If the legal battles can happen, then I don't think it is as far off as some may think.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 5/21/14 at 1:29 pm to CptBengal
The math in this article is not quite accurate unless they are also stating that there are only 20,666 police officers in the U.S. A quick Wikipedia check says there are at least 750,000 police officers.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 1:29 pm to lynxcat
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The benefits of this are unbelievable.
I believe driverless cars will appeal to younger drivers but will not be appealing to older drivers. I simply don't wan't anyone to know where I am at any given moment and I like to have perceived control over my road activity.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 1:29 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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I look forward to the day that every car in line at a light moves at the same time when the light goes green.
Technically, the cars wouldn't need to stop for a red light. Adjust speed and time it where you cross the intersection in-between other cars that are crossing.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 1:33 pm to lynxcat
I think the biggest problem is that most of the benefits you listed won't be realized until the utilization rate hits a certain threshold. That would likely take 20-30 years AFTER the price becomes economical for the average driver.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 1:36 pm to Asgard Device
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Technically, the cars wouldn't need to stop for a red light. Adjust speed and time it where you cross the intersection in-between other cars that are crossing.
That is mind numbing to even consider
I think we start with cars stopping and then do analysis on whether what you suggest is feasible within a risk tolerance of basically no mistakes/crashes ever (because it would mean a T-bone and likely death).
Posted on 5/21/14 at 1:36 pm to CptBengal
Posted on 5/21/14 at 1:38 pm to schexyoung
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I think the biggest problem is that most of the benefits you listed won't be realized until the utilization rate hits a certain threshold. That would likely take 20-30 years AFTER the price becomes economical for the average driver.
Why do you think the price cannot be economical? this software should be easily scalable - there is tremendous fixed R&D cost but a company like Google would have every incentive to make this easily accessible to exponentially grow the user base because of the extremely low variable costs.
I assume the data warehousing costs increase variably as the number of users increases, but I imagine this only happens with extreme scale offsetting these increased cost.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 1:40 pm to DanTiger
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I believe driverless cars will appeal to younger drivers but will not be appealing to older drivers. I simply don't wan't anyone to know where I am at any given moment and I like to have perceived control over my road activity.
If the benefits are so great, then you could force adoption legally. I don't prefer that option, but it would be fairly easy to pass legislation that says you have to at least have this software installed on every car. It could be included as part of a yearly inspection check.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 1:47 pm to lynxcat
What are the costs right now to retro-fit an average four door sedan?
Posted on 5/21/14 at 1:53 pm to schexyoung
I do not think anyone will have an exact answer the that question but you have to think there is a gps device and then some kind of user interface that would have to be installed or connected to the vehicle. Even if it was just dash mounted. I would think this could be done for less than five hundred dollars but you would most likely run this as a subscription based model. The cost of that subscription... I have no idea what that will be. Could be everything from free to a few hundred dollars a year. Just a guess.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 1:55 pm to schexyoung
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Meaning the program can't determine an alternative route under the time constraint.
I don't know much about Google's cars, but that's not a difficult problem for a computer to handle.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 1:55 pm to lynxcat
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If the benefits are so great, then you could force adoption legally
I'll tell you this: as someone that commutes a lot, I'd pay whatever I could to have this tech. Get the read the news and eat breakfast on my way to work in the morning? Finish up last minute things while on my way home, or just relax and watch a movie? Sign me up.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 1:56 pm to lynxcat
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I don't prefer that option, but it would be fairly easy to pass legislation that says you have to at least have this software installed on every car.
I wouldn't mind the govt stepping in to help the change happen more quickly but I'd be against forcing people to install certain things. And it's not really needed. Once the cars prove their ability to avoid accidents and give people the flexibility to work productively during their commute, most car owners will want to switch if the costs are low enough. The govt could adopt road sign standards that are more easily read by selfdrive vehicles. Or give tax credits similar to electric cars as these vehicles will reduce other costs.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 1:58 pm to lynxcat
We should in a few years I guess...
An interesting side effect once this tech reaches a certain utilization threshold to become effective might be an increase in urban sprawl. If you can work/read/entertain yourself while the car drives you to work, then maybe living farther and farther away is more practical.
An interesting side effect once this tech reaches a certain utilization threshold to become effective might be an increase in urban sprawl. If you can work/read/entertain yourself while the car drives you to work, then maybe living farther and farther away is more practical.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 1:59 pm to elprez00
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I'd pay whatever I could to have this tech
yep. I probably waste 2 hours of my workday driving. Also this would allow me to visit my parents who live 12 hours away more often. Jump in the car at 8PM on a Friday afternoon, be there for breakfast Saturday morning. Leave their place at 6PM on sunday, be at home getting ready for work by 6AM on Monday.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 2:00 pm to elprez00
Exactly. The benefits are unreal. It would be one of the best inventions in the modern world with tangible global productivity, safety and environmental benefits that are realized simultaneously. It would grow at a viral rate once proven to be dependable. Adoption rates should be a steep exponential curve once the innovators of the adoption curve show that the benefits at little to no risk.
As Malcolm Gladwell would say, the tipping point is rather quick once the connectors prove the value.
As Malcolm Gladwell would say, the tipping point is rather quick once the connectors prove the value.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 5/21/14 at 2:01 pm to schexyoung
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you can work/read/entertain yourself while the car drives you to work, then maybe living farther and farther away is more practical.
well then....
progs will be against this as "gerrymandering"
Posted on 5/21/14 at 2:06 pm to C
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The question was for a computer to determine the appropriate action for all the cars involved in an unavoidable crash that will likely result in 1 death vs 2. Think about that for a second and think about the number of unknown variables involved to process in likely a tenth of a second. The precision involved would be crazy.
That can be cast as an optimization problem. Computers solve these kinds of problems every day in fractions of seconds.
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