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"Downward Mobility" article published in NY Mag in 1982

Posted on 10/20/26 at 10:04 am
Posted by 4cubbies
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 10:04 am
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The economic realities of adult life have come as a rude surprise to Mark and Alison Kramer and many others whose childhoods coincided with the great boom time of the fifties. A house, a car, staples of middle-class life, now seem like luxuries. . . .

Growing up in the fifties, the assumption for most people was that they would equal or do better than their parents. Upward mobility was an immutable fact of American life. Since 1890, every group of Americans had done better than the one before it, and at a faster rate. That’s no longer so.

“The baby boom generation may never achieve the relative economic success of the generations immediately preceding it or following it.” . . .

“If anyone would have told us we’d be earning $60,000 a year, I would’ve thought we’d be living like millionaires,” says Susan Beltzer, whose husband is a Manhattan lawyer. “That’s not true.” Sustained inflation means that to have the same buying power today that one’s parents enjoyed 30 years ago, one would have to make more than three times as much. And the tax bite on that inflated income, given its higher bracket, is much greater. Worse, the cost of housing has soared, and that, combined with high interest rates, has made it impossible for most in the baby-boom generation to afford the houses they grew up in.


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Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 10:08 am to
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“The baby boom generation may never achieve the relative economic success of the generations immediately preceding it or following it.” . . .
The NYT has always been good for super prescient takes.

It's 2026 ... rinse and repeat.

... and look, just look at the "student" dissatisfaction on display in the EU.
Posted by atlgamecockman
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 10:08 am to
So you're saying there's a chance
Posted by Sam Quint
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 10:10 am to
left wing rags have been in the business of telling everyone that the system has failed them for decades. more at ten.
Posted by UtahCajun
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 10:11 am to
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The baby boom generation may never achieve the relative economic success of the generations immediately preceding it or following it.” 

Fear porn article even back then. Not surprising.

Of course the Boomer generation went on to be the most successful in terms of percentage wealth held by one generation. X'ers aren't far behind in average personal wealth, but do not have the sheer numbers to ever go over 50% of the nation's wealth. Millenials however, most likely will when their time comes.
This post was edited on 10/20/26 at 10:17 am
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 10:11 am to
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The NYT has always been good for super prescient takes.



To be fair, this is New York Magazine (which I had never heard of is possibly defunct now).

But it does look like history tends to repeat itself...
Posted by 4cubbies
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 10:12 am to
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Millenials however, most likely will when their time comes.


We will make the boomers look like paupers.
Posted by Tigersforthee
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 10:13 am to
The lefts been pushing the capitalism sucks narrative for decades. They'd much prefer we all pay a 60% tax rate so they can pick winners and losers with their newfound revenue.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 10:14 am to
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To be fair, this is New York Magazine
Fair point. I thought there was an affiliation. There isn't.
Posted by UtahCajun
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 10:14 am to
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To be fair, this is New York Magazine (which I had never heard of is possibly defunct now).


It is still around it seems. I think it is online online now.

Posted by UtahCajun
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 10:16 am to
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We will make the boomers look like paupers.

Dunno about paupers, but the signs point to more than holding your own.

None of you guys have achieved maximum earning potential yet, but you guys are closing in on that age.

Damnit time flies.
Posted by 4cubbies
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 10:17 am to
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The lefts been pushing the capitalism sucks narrative for decades. They'd much prefer we all pay a 60% tax rate so they can pick winners and losers with their newfound revenue.



I didn't get this at all from the article. It was not a critique of capitalism.

Did you actually read it and your take away was that is was admonishing capitalism?

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All of this induces what sociologist Blumberg calls “the Las Vegas syndrome.” “Citizens observe that success and economic security no longer depend on the usual virtues of hard work and saving, but on inflationary currents over which they have no control,” he says in his book Inequality in an Age of Decline. The result is an erosion of the Protestant work ethic and its replacement by a philosophy that puts a premium on spending.
Posted by Sam Quint
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 10:18 am to
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I didn't get this at all from the article. It was not a critique of capitalism.

holy shite you are dense.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 10:19 am to
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Fair point. I thought there was an affiliation. There isn't.



I thought it was the New Yorker until I googled "is NY magazine the same as the New Yorker?" But I guess it isn't defunct if the website still works.
Posted by 4cubbies
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 10:20 am to
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holy shite you are dense.



I just think it's annoying that thoughtless people with internet access try to turn every thread into "LIBS ARE LITERALLY HITLER"
Posted by UtahCajun
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 10:24 am to
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holy shite you are dense

Seriously dude, point to where the article goes into the anti-capitalism stage.

I do see some reasoning behind why the couple in the article is struggling, but every example they gave comes from government via taxation or control of the monetary system. That is not capitalism.
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