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re: Don lemon on the Chicago kidnapping. Complete idiot
Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:08 am to russellvillehog
Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:08 am to russellvillehog
I have always been against the entire concept of a hate crime because of the absurd rabbit holes it leads us down. We end up fighting about whether something is a hate crime, when it's unnecessary and when all right-thinking individuals agree that a crime has been committed. Particularly nasty motives can always be considered at sentencing. Let's move away from having actual though police - because that is what hate crimes require - and get back to punishing criminals, regardless of what -isms motivated their criminal conduct.
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Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:08 am to Pinecone Repair
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Every time I hear people say that this country's history should influence our perception of an attack and the attackers
. . . you know its a liberal spinning the truth.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:09 am to PoundFoolish
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Symone should be on Tucker
I'd guess her IQ is around 85.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:10 am to Pinecone Repair
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I'd guess her IQ is around 85.
You're being very generous.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:11 am to PoundFoolish
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You're being very generous
Well,sometimes my gentle nature slips out.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:12 am to Pinecone Repair
Now THAT would be a hate crime lol
Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:28 am to russellvillehog
god damn, Lemon comes across better than a few of the people in that segment.
Bernie's campaign speaker is the worst of the worst.
Bernie's campaign speaker is the worst of the worst.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:33 am to russellvillehog
I have no problem with what Don said. Not everyone believes in "evil".
Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:38 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Our turn for what, to be just as stupid as they are in the opposite direction?
Behavior in itself is not stupid. It's the results of the actions that determine that, so if "we" used the same tactics of ramming things thru and the results of those polices had a net positive effect, that would not be "as stupid as they are". It would be more like "undoing the stupid".
Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:40 am to mmcgrath
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I have no problem with what Don said. Not everyone believes in "evil".
I don't believe we are made "evil" by our experiences.
I believe we start there, and get made civil
Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:46 am to N.O. via West-Cal
quote:I agree. It only appears to make sense with crimes like graffiti or vandalism where the effect on the victim isn't just economic. The the punishment goes from a fine and probation to some jail time. In a case involving kidnapping and torture it really isn't necessary. Who cares "why" they did it, the crime is bad enough on its own.
I have always been against the entire concept of a hate crime because of the absurd rabbit holes it leads us down. We end up fighting about whether something is a hate crime, when it's unnecessary and when all right-thinking individuals agree that a crime has been committed. Particularly nasty motives can always be considered at sentencing. Let's move away from having actual though police - because that is what hate crimes require - and get back to punishing criminals, regardless of what -isms motivated their criminal conduct.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:51 am to thelawnwranglers
quote:I think the guy who said it was "man's inhumane behavior towards man" was closer. Seeing or doing something shocking becomes intoxicating. Unless one of these kidnappers has a personality disorder, they likely all have a history of doing something shocking and illegal that escalates over time. It is part of being human, not some sort of supernatural quality.
I don't believe we are made "evil" by our experiences.
I believe we start there, and get made civil
Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:53 am to russellvillehog
So let me see if I understand this correctly.
It is ONLY a hate crime when happens to a black person.
Pretty sure that is what she is saying here.
It is ONLY a hate crime when happens to a black person.
Pretty sure that is what she is saying here.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:09 am to russellvillehog
Without watching it, let me take a wild guess because Insee this coming a mile away. If the clip is a panel discussion, there will be at least one person that says how terrible this was and there is no excuse for it and then say that Trump's racist and hateful rhetoric has created the environment for things like this to happen.
Am I close?
Am I close?
Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:28 am to mmcgrath
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I think the guy who said it was "man's inhumane behavior towards man" was closer. Seeing or doing something shocking becomes intoxicating. Unless one of these kidnappers has a personality disorder, they likely all have a history of doing something shocking and illegal that escalates over time. It is part of being human, not some sort of supernatural quality.
fair idea- I don't think civility is natural. We come out selfish and concern with meeting our basic needs.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:56 am to mmcgrath
"It only appears to make sense with crimes like graffiti or vandalism where the effect on the victim isn't just economic"
Even with such crimes, you don't really need the hate crime element. The intent element can me more generalized, such as "with intent to threaten or intimidate." Of course, there are 1st Am limitations but that's also true with hate crimes.
Even with such crimes, you don't really need the hate crime element. The intent element can me more generalized, such as "with intent to threaten or intimidate." Of course, there are 1st Am limitations but that's also true with hate crimes.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 11:07 am to russellvillehog
By the end of the conversation the whole thing was Trump's fault for fanning the racial divide in America. CNN's take is so expected.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 11:38 am to ELVIS U
I was asleep the whole time. While people said bad link. I wake up. Click the link and it works for me? Idk I'm confused. I just woke up lol.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 12:47 pm to ELVIS U
It's CNN. Everything is Trump's fault.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 12:55 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Our turn for what, to be just as stupid as they are in the opposite direction?
The opposite direction in this context would be executing law and order at the ground level. So yes, and if you think that's stupid, you're probably in the crosshairs.
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